OK Tuna, Let me explain why it will be difficult if not impossible for you to have a reasonable conversation about gun control. When you took the classes to get your masters in psychology, you certainly took classes that taught you about critical thinking. Based on your posts thus far, you have evidently abandoned critical thinking when responding to the mass shooting in CT and on gun control in general. You know better than to make decisions without looking at the facts and making a rational decision based on all available data, but your shock and outrage over this incident has taken over. Whether you intended it or not, your first post was antagonistic given the group you were addressing.
Responses such as "don't the dead children matter" are really not called for. Of course every single reasonable person would do everything they could to turn back time and undo what was done at Sandy Hook. You summarily dismissed the idea of arming teachers because the thought of having guns around our innocent youths "makes your head explode". When you make statements like that, it's clear that you will not listen to facts or reason, your mind is made up and having an armed teacher doesn't make you feel safe. I'm sorry, but many of the ideas that you will get from this group are supported by actual data, but will not make you feel safe......they will however make you and/or your children safer.
Folks on your side are appalled by the statement often made by our side "more guns=less crime". There really is some truth to this. Surely you have to agree that an armed police officer sitting in a liquer store greatly reduces the chances of that store being robbed. IF you agree that an armed police officer can deter crime, then it can reasonably be concluded that guns in the hands of "the good guys" can be a means to reduce crime. We can argue about who the good guys are, but that is irrelevant for this discussion. Restrictions on legally obtaining firearms reduce the number of good guys who have guns. It does nothing to deter the "bad guys" from posessing them. Someone who is trading crack rocks for a firearm or stealing the firearm doesn't really care if the magazine in that firearm comlies with current regulations.
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- Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:07 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
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- Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:05 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: CNN Gun Control Poll
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This is where we as CHL holders have failed to educate the general public. In the state of Texas, if you bring your children to a resteraunt, to the movies, to the mall, you are likely taking them around someone with a CHL who is carrying. I am out with my grandchildren on a regular basis while carrying. My granchildren aren't even aware that I am carrying, there is no "big scary gun" as far as they are concerned, they are free to be kids. They are just being really well protected.tuna wrote:I think this is my biggest stumbling block with your argument. Are schools the right place for weapons? I think of innocence and youth, and introducing a firearm into that environment makes my brain explode.canvasbck wrote:Yes, your being emotional and it is severly clouding your judgement. The good, law abiding folks here are just as passionate about protecting innocent children, including those who have not yet been born, as anyone. We want to see the same level of protection afforded to our children at school that we, as CHL holders, provide to them whenever they are not at school.
No one is advocating that teachers keep a gun on their desk or an AR slung across their back. We have a saying around here that "concealed means concealed". The kids would never know that the gun is there and our children are being protected by more than a glass door. That being said, I am all for teachers getting aditional training above the basic CHL before being allowed to carry in the classroom. Training that includes how to shelter in the classroom, keep you class safe while forcing the BG into a fatal funnel, ect.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:39 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: CNN Gun Control Poll
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Yes, your being emotional and it is severly clouding your judgement. The good, law abiding folks here are just as passionate about protecting innocent children, including those who have not yet been born, as anyone. We want to see the same level of protection afforded to our children at school that we, as CHL holders, provide to them whenever they are not at school.tuna wrote:If you perceive me as being disingenuous, it's not intentional. I'm reacting emotionally, but I hope it's not clouding my reasoning.clarionite wrote:No, Disingenuous attempts to "Keep the children safe" that are actually laws intended to infringe on constitutional rights shouldn't be considered.I stated that I voted "All" on a poll. I didn't think that would be construed as hostile. As for first post, what can I say? We all have to start sometime.Hostile attacks and attempts at emotional baiting as your first post is the reason you have zero credibility.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:35 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: CNN Gun Control Poll
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tuna wrote:I am not a troll, but if that helps you dehumanize me and lessen civility, fine. Your very first post in a CHL forum was one touting gun control with no real data to back it up, hence the trollcanvasbck wrote:Alright troll, I'll bite.I don't get the comparison, unless it's sarcastic. Pools don't acquire weapons and attack.Not sarcastic at all, pools kill lots of inoccent children every year, they do not ever protect the innocent from evil. Firearms were used to kill 20 children but are used to save the lives of hundreds of innocent victims every yearYes, dead kids matter and the 20 children killed at Sandy Hook, although tragic, pales in comparison to those killed by drowning in pools EVERY YEAR, not a one time event, but an ongoing sensless slaughter of children so that we can lounge by the pool.Which idea are you referring to? Arming teachers?yesThe president ignored the only idea that was actually aimed at protecting schools......There's that definite lack of civility. I have children, I have parents, I want to live in a safe society and be content. I'm not trying to toss "leftist talking points" around, and I don't think of myself as leftist.Then why come here and throw out a purely emotional argument with absolutely nothing to indicate that we should abandon our core belief for? Also, if you are going to quote me, please include the entire quote, you omitted the most important part of that statementThe ideas that you and your ilk spout forward do nothing ...Yeah, that's why I'm here and why I posted.You have not made one single fact based or informed arguement yetTry reading a little and learning some facts, when your ready for an informed, fact based debate, there are scores here ready for that debate.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:25 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: CNN Gun Control Poll
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Why Tuna, are you ignoring me? I see your still online but still not interested in an informed, fact based debate.tuna wrote:Not fight, discussion. You went to fight mode, tossing SPAM accusations. Regardless, I just wanted to see how my opinion could be better informed. I don't get the hate and distrust.longhorn_92 wrote:YOU came here to push buttons and to look for a "fight". Have a fantastic day. I am done with you.
Sorry to all for feeding the troll.......I can't help myself.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:15 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: CNN Gun Control Poll
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Alright troll, I'll bite.tuna wrote:Why is that? You're saying the dead kids don't matter?Mike1951 wrote:And you need to understand that with first posts like this, YOU have zero credibility here!
Yes, dead kids matter and the 20 children killed at Sandy Hook, although tragic, pales in comparison to those killed by drowning in pools EVERY YEAR, not a one time event, but an ongoing sensless slaughter of children so that we can lounge by the pool. The president ignored the only idea that was actually aimed at protecting schools......yet he's "sceptical" about guarding our children the same way that we guard our money, our celebrities and our politicians.The ideas that you and your ilk spout forward do nothing to change the current situation where our children are helpless victims herded together to make easy pickings for a madman with a weapon. All they will do is create scores of defensless victims for the evil and deranged that roam our society. Show me a program where we actually start taking these "ticking timebombs" off our streets, then come talk to me about the tools they use for destruction.
Try reading a little and learning some facts, when your ready for an informed, fact based debate, there are scores here ready for that debate. If your not willing to do so, then enjoy what I'm sure will be a short stint spouting leftist talking points amongst well reasoned and rational ideas that others are posting.
- Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:10 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: CNN Gun Control Poll
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Re: CNN Gun Control Poll
74% of respondents support some or all of president's gun violence plan
That's the headline they get out of this "poll"
That's the headline they get out of this "poll"