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Oldgringo wrote:I'm really surprised that this thread has been allowed to go on as long as it has. It seems to have wandered off the subject of electoral votes onto the paths of religious dogma....not that there's anything wrong with that.

pbwalker wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote: Oldgringo, you speak of which you do not know. The Catholic Church does not impose mores, beliefs, and judgements on others.

The Catholic Church has been the steadfast source of Truth for 2,000 years. If you look at history and the teaching of all other world religions their teachings have changes with the times and social engineering. The Catholic Church's teaching is the same today as it always has been.

You are also wrong about one other point in your post. God will not sort 'em out. When we die we sort ourselves out. When we die we judge ourselves because we then understand fully His Right and Truth. These are no longer clouded. We decide to go to either heaven (purgatory for those with imperfections) or heck. If you die outside of God's loving grace you cannot stand to be in His presence.

This might be difficult for some to accept but it is the truth.

Please stop judging the Catholic Church in your posts such as these because they are not true.

Anygunanywhere

There's a lot of wrong, and a lot of opinion in this post.

I know of several Catholic hospitals that do not perform tubal ligation procedures, even when requested. Why is that?

Oldgringo wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:

talltex wrote:

I do understand the HHS mandate and that you are opposed to being required to pay for any insurance that includes coverage for abortion. Personally, I don't like the fact that my tax dollars are used to fund hundreds of programs that I'm opposed to, but that's the law, so I have to do it. I'm also a businessman, and I'm required to provide unemployment insurance, workman's comp insurance, maternity leave, sick pay, paid personal holidays, and so on...I'm not opposed to all of those things , but it wouldn't matter if I was...they are required by law. As I said before, there are religious groups that oppose blood transfusions and any type of surgical intervention...they don't get a pass on religious freedom grounds either.[

There is a vast difference between funding something you disagree and don't like with and being forced to fund something you find so very reprehensible that those who engage in it and propagate its existence are endangering their very souls.

Would you make a Jewish deli serve ham?

I think the point is: we have no right to force our beliefs on others. If someone wants to have an abortion and perhaps burn in the everlasting flames of {heck}, that is their choice. Just as a Jewish Deli may choose to offer ham sandwiches to its goy customers.

The sooner the GOP decides to get out of the public's bedroom and back to the hallowed halls of federal government, the sooner they will have a chance in 2016.

PS:
I didn't use the word {heck}.