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7:40AM Texas time, and the filibuster is ongoing. It's time for the American people to wake up and realize their government is stealing their freedom and bankrupting the country.

mr surveyor wrote:they threw Sarah Palin under the bus, they'll do it to Ted Cruz as well.

Yes, but Cruz is much more polished than Palin. He won't be easy to get rid of.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:I could balance the budget without getting rid of Medicare.

You're living in a dream world.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
So what happens to all the old farts who are on Medicare if things went your way then? Going to stick them on an igloo and push them out to sea? Mind you...they vote.

The vote isn't going to be of much use when the bank accounts go dry because leviathan defaults. Voting does not ease hunger pains or pay the electric bill or rent.

Anygunanywhere

Answer the question. What would you do with all the senior citizens currently on Medicare?

We're screwed by Obamacare anyway. What difference does it make? When they run out of money we'll be the first to be discarded.

You're on your own now, just like our forefathers.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Apparently you haven't noticed that we're broke? You're living in a dream world where everything will go on as it always has. This country is collapsing, and it's only a matter of time before it's every man for himself. Medicare? In your dreams! Medicare should be the least of your worries. Start thinking about where your next meal will come from after the country goes bankrupt

So what happens to all the old farts who are on Medicare if things went your way then? Going to stick them on an igloo and push them out to sea? Mind you...they vote.

Wake up. When the country is bankrupt there will be no Medicare. Look at Detroit. All the city retirees (police, fire, sanitation, etc.) are getting their retirements cut by 75%. Are they screwed? Of course! Is there anything they can do about it? Not one thing. When the money runs out all the Medicare in the world won't write a check. Vote all you want. The gravy train is coming to an end. And in case you think I'm some youngster who hates old people, I'm 66, on social security and medicare. I'm just not blind to the tsunami headed our way.

Either the politicians put an end to deficit spending now, or your Medicare card and 2 dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Once the ACA is fully implemented it will be nearly impossible to repeal. Evidence SS, Medicare, Food Stamps, Welfare, Dept of Education, etc.
All this talk about the "blame for a government shutdown" is such bile it's hard to contain my disgust.
Obamacare is so bad, it's worth a shutdown. If avoiding a shut down means that a few more RINO's can get elected, well, are we really that much better off?
Some fights are worth fighting.

Whats wrong with Medicare? Are you against Medicare?

Apparently you haven't noticed that we're broke? You're living in a dream world where everything will go on as it always has. This country is collapsing, and it's only a matter of time before it's every man for himself. Medicare? In your dreams! Medicare should be the least of your worries. Start thinking about where your next meal will come from after the country goes bankrupt.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Teamless wrote:More proof that Cruz is doing something RIGHT!

Although I like Cruz on (the lack of ) gun control, his moves here have been epically stupid, and seemingly almost designed to lose the Republican's chance to regain the Senate and keep the house.

If you think Obamacare is bad, let it be implemented and put it around the neck of the Democrats. Take the Senate and pass legislation to end it or improve. But remember if you end it, there was a reason people initially supported it, and you'd better have a good plan to replace it with something better. Leaving alone isn't working.

If you crater the government over this the Republicans can and should lose both houses for a decade.

That's crazy talk. The last time the Republicans shut down the government the Democrats were within a hair's breadth of caving when the Republicans did what they do best - surrender unconditionally. The polls say the people do not want Obamacare. If the Republicans cave (and there's a high likelihood they will), they will be blamed for Obamacare when it brings this nation crashing down to disaster because they did not fight to stop it. People will say the Democrats had no choice. They had to support their President.

Their only chance of winning in the future is to fight tooth and nail now. Even if they lose the fight, people will not then blame them for the disaster that is Obamacare. If they cave to the Democrats now, they will disappear as a viable party. I guarantee you the Tea Party folks will not support them going forward, and without the Tea Party they are not a viable party, no matter what Karl Rove and his ilk say.

This is the Republicans last stand. It looks like they don't have the courage to fight, which is normal for them.