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03Lightningrocks wrote:The good folks at Bullet Trap teach CHL classes and work under the assumption that you know the laws. That sign does not apply to you if you have a CHL. That sign is to keep folks from coming in with loaded(UNCONCEALED) firearms. It is amazing how many well meaning folks will walk in with a loaded gun, whip it out of the box and ask them what it is worth or if they can "fix it". Again... this is NOT speculation... they don't mean for folks with a CHL to disarm in the parking lot or anywhere else.

Well, that's a bit irritating. The sign should then read "Unless you are a CHL holder, no loaded weapons." or something similar. The sign is misleading.

Teamless wrote:

baldeagle wrote: I'm surprised you think you can carry a loaded weapon into their store, CC or not.

If it is not 30.06 posted, it is no different than a "no guns" sign on any other store.
Walk right past, Concealed.
However I agree that if you are going to shoot your concealed carry, then you need to respect the signage and take it in empty.

Of course, that was the conditions that the OP described, to which I was responding.

Teamless wrote:

baldeagle wrote:The store owner or staff has the right to ask you to leave immediately, and if you don't comply, you can be charged with trespassing. After all, it's a private business

Agreed, but again, if it is concealed and going to remain concealed, as long as they do not ask you to leave (they have to see it to reprimand you for it, concealed is concealed), then you are good to carry.

Of course, but again, that wasn't the conditions which the OP described. He wanted to carry his EDC AND shoot it at the range.

Teamless wrote:

baldeagle wrote:They can make any rules they want, and you can choose to go elsewhere if you think their rules are goofy, silly, ridiculous, offensive or whatever

I have to ask, do you ever walk past a "no guns" sticker, or do you go disarm?
Me, I follow the laws of the Great State of Texas. It says if it is not PROPERLY 30.06, not 51% or a few other limitations, then I can carry, and do not feel that I am disrespecting them.

I follow the law. If the location is 30.06 posted, I disarm or don't enter. If it's not, I enter armed. (IOW, gunbuster signs, out of compliance 30.06 signs, unlicensed carry signs, etc., are ignored.) If "discovered" and asked to leave, I will immediately exit. Then I will write the store and explain why they have lost my business forever.

sjfcontrol wrote: In red -- so you obey gun-buster signs?

See above.

The Garland Shooting Range allows you to CC to your station, then unholster and prepare for your shooting practice. I know because I called and asked them BEFORE I went there. The Bullet Trap has a clearly visible sign that says no loaded weapons are allowed. I'm surprised you think you can carry a loaded weapon into their store, CC or not. If a store has a policy that they don't allow loaded weapons, then you disrespect the store by carrying a loaded weapon. The store owner or staff has the right to ask you to leave immediately, and if you don't comply, you can be charged with trespassing. After all, it's a private business. They can make any rules they want, and you can choose to go elsewhere if you think their rules are goofy, silly, ridiculous, offensive or whatever.

If I go to the Bullet Trap to shoot my EDC, I unload and remove the magazine in the car before entering the store. As CHL holders our primary duty is to uphold the law in all situations. That means we either obey the wishes of business owners or we don't shop there. A shop that has a sign that says no loaded weapons allowed has made their intentions crystal clear. It has nothing to do with 30.06 or our rights as CHL holders.