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Excaliber wrote:Careful here.

What one man may see as "beating on a door" will be seen by another as an "attempt to break down the door."

Either or both conclusions may be reasonable under the circumstances. We don't yet have enough reliable detail to be able to arrive at a valid conclusion in this case.

From inside, you observe action and infer intent, and the judgment of a reasonable man must be arrived at from the information at hand.

This is not an open and shut case either way from the information we have so far.

True, but on the other hand, there's a world of difference between two men "knocking" on a door and two men trying to "enter the home" by "beating and kicking" on the door. If the second rendition is true, the first was clearly misleading.

They say that in a marriage a man and a woman become one. After that they argue about which one.

VoiceofReason wrote:He should not have fired through the door. He should have called 911, yelled at them that he had called the police and taken cover behind a couch, another doorway, or whatever and waited. If they tried to force the door, as soon as it started to come open, unload on them.

No excuse for firing through a door that is closed and locked. He killed a man that was not an immediate threat to him.

Bad situation.

I'm just curious. How do you know that the door was closed and locked? How do you know the man wasn't an immediate threat? I didn't see anything in the article that indicated either of those two facts.

ISTM we are far too quick to judge without knowing all the facts. We make assumptions based upon our own biases of how we would handle a similar situation without knowing the details that could well change our minds.

C-dub wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

C-dub wrote:The home owner should be charged. I don't know with what, but he is responsible for that man's death for no justifiable reason.

We do not know what happened.

Right, but unlike the musician that this happened to here in Dallas, I'll bet that this guy was not beating on the door making threats.

You don't know that. The story doesn't say. The fact that the police didn't arrest the homeowner but chose instead to refer the case to a grand jury is telling. It is much like the case of the musician. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=9816&start=45" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The grand jury will have to decide if the shooting was justified.

It is unfair to judge a case based on facts known subsequent to the shooting, especially facts that the homeowner could not have known. One might sympathize with the victims because they were trying to get help, but when a homeowner is awakened to the sound of knocking on his door, he's going to be alert and suspicious. The case will hinge on what happened at the door, and the testimony of the stabbing victim and the homeowner will be crucial to the grand jury's decision.