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by baldeagle
Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:11 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
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Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

duns wrote:
baldeagle wrote:Imagine the training opportunities for our military. Live ammo exercises. Predator surveillance. Sniper practice. Intelligence gathering. 24x7 armed watches. The list goes on and on. We could even get the brown water Navy involved on the Rio Grande.
I tend to agree but are most of the resources currently tied up overseas? I don't know, just asking. As for the brown water navy, from what I saw of the Rio Grande it's mostly a trickle rather than a great river -- are there really patrol boats on it? Again don't know, just asking -- I had the impression one could walk across in many places and hardly get wet.
At any given time, one third of the Army is fighting, one third is resting and re-equipping and one third is training (gross generalization). The one third that is training could do that training on the border and benefit from real life scenarios such as desert survival skills, taking, holding and guarding prisoners, etc., etc.

Yes, the Rio Grande is more like the Rio not-so-Grande these days. The brown water Navy comment was a bit of a joke from an old Navy guy.
by baldeagle
Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:41 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

Imagine the training opportunities for our military. Live ammo exercises. Predator surveillance. Sniper practice. Intelligence gathering. 24x7 armed watches. The list goes on and on. We could even get the brown water Navy involved on the Rio Grande.
by baldeagle
Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:58 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

duns wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:The solution is to enforce penalties against knowingly hiring illegal aliens, and to require employers to verify a prospective employee's residency status.
Already the case. Employers must complete Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... ility.html
Sure it is. Just like it's already the case that we have laws that don't allow illegal immigration. Both work about the same. The government completely ignores the law so everybody else does as well.

Show my one high profile case in the past 50 years where an employer was fined or punished in any way for hiring illegal aliens. And before you get squirrelly on me, duns, note that I did say high profile - meaning a case that caught everyone's attention and altered behavior patterns.
by baldeagle
Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:29 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

Oldgringo wrote:
FANGS asks:

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: HOW CAN NORTH KOREA FIGURE THIS OUT AND THE U.S. CAN'T?
The Oldgringo answers:

In a nutshell AGAIN, Kim Il Dingbat is not running for re-election.

Our politicians - in both parties - do no want to alienate this large bloc of voters.
Yeah, they'd rather alienate the millions of patriotic Americans who go about their daily lives and don't pay much attention to politics - at least they used to not pay much attention to politics - now we call them tea partiers (or teabaggers if you're into insulting people) and they seem to be making a difference.
by baldeagle
Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:38 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

Meanwhile, 20% of the people crossing our southern border are criminals and no small number more are from terrorist supporting countries like Iran - http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - all of which our government covers up, even from the US House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee members, because people would be outraged if they knew how serious the problem is.
by baldeagle
Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:54 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

duns wrote:
Beiruty wrote:no one said, you are not allow to speak your mind. Do not make it an issue. You are dwelling on something in your imagination.
Not my imagination. People said as a US permanent resident, I should not be expressing my opinion but wait till I can vote. Seems like a distraction tactic because they don't want to answer the substantive points I made. People who did answer were largely sympathetic to my point of view: i.e. correct strategy is to make immigration by law-abiding foreigners easier and take pressure off the border, obviating the need for the fence.
No offense meant, but you must have serious reading comprehension problems. You have been told repeatedly that no is telling you not to express your opinion, yet you continue to insist that they are. Furthermore, you've contended several times that you have made substantive points that others have agreed with when that is simply not the case. I would suggest that you go back and read all the responses to your contentions, but I've already learned from experience that you will ignore what others have said and continue to plow ahead with your point of view while misrepresenting what others have written, as you have here.

One wonders what your goal in all this is.
by baldeagle
Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:37 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

duns wrote:Secondly, as a Green Card holder I am here not as a "guest" but as a permanent resident. A guest usually means someone whose tenure is limited in time. A permanent resident has been given leave to live here permanently. I have all the rights of a US citizen except the right to vote. That is the one and only right I lack. YOU say I cannot express my opinions until I have the right to vote -- what gives YOU the right to make rules additional to those made by the US government?
Not true. You can be deported. A citizen cannot.

As for your "pure speculation", the US Code reads - http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; -
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
Unless you have some novel reading methodology, the law clearly states that the penalties for illegally entering the US can be both civil and criminal. That fact alone puts illegally entering the US in a different category than speeding or other traffic offenses.
by baldeagle
Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:33 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

duns wrote:
baldeagle wrote: Common sense tells you that non-productive people, criminals, drug addicts and similar types of people would not contribute to prosperity no matter where they reside. And people dedicated to the overthrow of a country (such as the Mexican Reconquista movement - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) are clearly counterproductive.
You seem to be conflating immigrants with "non-productive people, criminals, drug addicts and similar". Most immigrants want to come to the USA because they subscribe to its principles of free enterprise. In other words, they just want a job in a better environment than they could have at home. And America needs their services. There is a shortage of people in the USA trained as engineers, doctors, scientists, etc. and a shortage of people to hang drywall, mow lawns, and clean houses. The number of people crossing the border who are criminals or terrorists is a tiny fraction of the total. That's why it doesn't make much sense to try to keep out the criminals and terrorists by closing the borders to everyone. Trying to shut all foreigners out, good and bad, is an impossible undertaking. Remember that all the 911 hijackers were here legally -- not one of them had to sneak in across the Rio Grande. If you are an Al Qaeda member not yet on the US watch list, you can fly in freely, with minimal formalities, as a tourist, a businessman, or a student. Or if you have a needed skill, you can obtain a work visa. Or if you have investments in the USA, you can obtain a visa to come here to manage your investments.
Now you've completely distorted what I said. It's impossible to have a civil discussion with someone who misrepresents my position in order to make a point that they believe is valid.

So I won't engage in any further dialog with you.
by baldeagle
Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:33 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Re: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

duns wrote:
baldeagle wrote:This should put a crimp in the open borders crowd's arguments.
Who do you mean by the "open borders crowd"? A long time ago I read a book "Open Borders: The Case against Immigration Controls" by Teresa Hayter, Pluto Press, 2000. She argues that unrestricted migration has the potential to increase prosperity worldwide while controls cause human suffering and cost a vast amount, while doing little to control numbers. This incident seems to illustrate that she is right on the the ineffectiveness of controls. Reducing or abolishing immigration controls is not the same as permitting or facilitating drug running, a distinction that seems to be lost on many people.

One irony is that America is supposed to be the ultimate capitalist country. Capitalism means freedom to compete. This freedom exists for businesses - these can operate across borders freely - but it does not exist for ordinary workers. America of course was built by migrants.

Unfortunately, the link to the news items was not working when I tried it just now.
What I mean by open borders is precisely what you defined it as - unrestricted immigration. What unrestricted immigration does is allow anyone who wants to to enter a country. Restricted immigration, which is what America has always had, allows a country to decide who enters the country and who does not. In the former case a country allows both productive and unproductive people to enter, including criminals, drug addicts, anti-social types and even people who are dedicated to the overthrow of the very country they have entered. In the latter case a country allows only those to enter who can contribute to the country's betterment.

For anyone to think open borders would increase prosperity more than restricted borders, that person would have to be an illogical thinker. Common sense tells you that non-productive people, criminals, drug addicts and similar types of people would not contribute to prosperity no matter where they reside. And people dedicated to the overthrow of a country (such as the Mexican Reconquista movement - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) are clearly counterproductive.

Furthermore, to argue that companies can cross borders without restrictions, one has to ignore the many hurdles, both legal and illegal, that a company has to cross in order to establish a commercial presence in a country. America isn't the only country that requires business licenses, compliance with laws and regulations and, in many cases, a certain under the table gratuity to do business there.

People who spew the kind of foolish thinking that you cite demonstrate either a dangerous naivete or a willingness to overlook the facts in order to promote a point of view.
by baldeagle
Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:19 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border
Replies: 120
Views: 12272

Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Concerned US citizens have placed hidden cameras 80 miles north of the border and captured illegals armed with AK-47s, MAC-10s and other weapons, clearing the way for long lines of backpacking drug runners. This should put a crimp in the open borders crowd's arguments.

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