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OlBill wrote:

thatguy wrote:We have a God given right to constitutional carry, it is self evident. We also have an absolute responsibility to mitigate risk to the public.

Interesting perspective. What risk?

We have inalienable (God given and self evident) right to self defense of our person, our families and some cases third party. We don't have the right to to risk hurting innocent people in the process but we do risk just that when presenting deadly force (in this case a gun) leaving us all with a quandary whether we accept it or not.

There is no getting around this vexing problem for there is no guarantee that I couldn't hurt or even kill mine or someone else's innocent child, mother, father, brother, grandchild etc. My personal plan is to practice and train mentally and physically to strengthen my mindset of what would I do if this or that occurred. What I've personally discovered is that a well thought-out, practiced, trained and determined plan to defend myself and others allows me to wait just a little bit longer. I can think about other options, like running, distracting, discouraging through eye-contact and so forth. Trained guns stay in their place (holstered) longer and when my gun stays holstered it is very unlikely to hurt an innocent. Untrained guns or unsure guns on the other hand come out first putting the public in danger much faster.

By accepting our own personal responsibilities we negate the need for law in the first place.

anygunanywhere wrote:

thatguy wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

thatguy wrote:We have a God given right to constitutional carry, it is self evident. We also have an absolute responsibility to mitigate risk to the public.

Arguably there are things more dangerous to us all than the citizenry exercising their RKBA. Reference London yesterday.

Some here are very quick to spout about "They needz more training to carry a gun!"

Stupid drivers, reckless drivers, and drunk drivers are a bigger threat than the RKBA. Swimming pools are a bigger threat to children than the RKBA. School teachers are a bigger threat to children than the RKBA.

Common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions are the knife cuts that are slowly bleeding our RKBA to death.

More often than not, those who would require citizens take training to exercise a right are the ones who have taken some sort of training and want the rest to be as tacticool as they perceive themselves to be.

My statement was no reference to law but to what our own personal standards should be as responsible citizens negating the necessity for such laws.

Show me where I can find the personal standards for responsible citizenship defined and recorded so I can reference them when the need arises and advise me who sets the standard.

That would be for your own heart to decide brother.

anygunanywhere wrote:

thatguy wrote:We have a God given right to constitutional carry, it is self evident. We also have an absolute responsibility to mitigate risk to the public.

Arguably there are things more dangerous to us all than the citizenry exercising their RKBA. Reference London yesterday.

Some here are very quick to spout about "They needz more training to carry a gun!"

Stupid drivers, reckless drivers, and drunk drivers are a bigger threat than the RKBA. Swimming pools are a bigger threat to children than the RKBA. School teachers are a bigger threat to children than the RKBA.

Common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions are the knife cuts that are slowly bleeding our RKBA to death.

More often than not, those who would require citizens take training to exercise a right are the ones who have taken some sort of training and want the rest to be as tacticool as they perceive themselves to be.

My statement was no reference to law but to what our own personal standards should be as responsible citizens negating the necessity for such laws.

We have a God given right to constitutional carry, it is self evident. We also have an absolute responsibility to mitigate risk to the public.