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03Lightningrocks wrote:I would be real careful not to let the church lady know about my gun. If she is that afraid of guns, rather than bad guys with guns, you can bet she would start a stink.

On the topic at hand. If the RKBA is truly a right, it seems to me everyone should assume we are all exercising that right and if they don't directly address my carrying on their property, neither will I. If an anti gun zealot is that worried about a gun, they should make it a point to inform every person that comes to their home that the practice of the right is not allowed. I don't see the need to get permission. It seems backwards to ask permission to exercise our right, regardless of who's home we are in.

Just for the record, I don't think anyone responding here is anti gun. And my comment was for anyone that cares to respond.

But that isn't the point either. If I understood correctly, the OP was not asking permission nor was I suggesting doing that. What I said was that my decision was voluntary and not driven by any legal requirement. If I elected to carry, I'm confident enough in my concealment that I could pull it off so this isn't about getting caught and being asked to leave either. It is about whether I personally feel any moral obligation not to carry because I know that the homeowner is adamantly opposed to it. You and I agree that if the person was passionate, they can give verbal notice to every possible party attendee and that pretty much seals the matter. The real question comes if they don't.

For me, it would be a very rare instance where I'm faced with the decision. 8 times out of 10, I'm not going to go to party at someone's house at all if I know that they are strongly anti-gun because I haven't found guns to be a singular point of disagreement with people who hold the anti-gun position. I can tick through 10 other topics on which we would probably disagree. I think it is pointless to go to a party at someone's house and to think that the weather was probably the only topic that I can safely discuss with them. But there are some parties which have a level of obligation to attend. Those are the ones that I would ponder. Do I blow off the obligation and not go? Do I go and, just because I can, carry? Or do I chose a different path? At the end of the day, it is only about me living with my own decision. All of us have different tolerance levels on that.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Wow! I am amazed when I read a post from a person that says we should inform others we are carrying concealed. I am curious. Many times I see posts declaring a business as anti gun and refusing to go into the business. Just so I get this straight. If it is a personal relationship that is anti gun, you will continue to disarm and go in? Even if they don't post the property, you disarm, just in case it will make them nervous? "Out of respect"? I am not sure why anyone considers it a sign of disrespect to exercise our RKBA.

I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me but I'll answer it.

I personally see a difference between a private business that is open to the public and a private residence. This is NOT a legal determination for me. I do not normally do any business with businesses that post their property or have strong anti-gun activities. But I don't shun everyone person who makes anti-gun statements. Sometimes, individuals are ill informed or have simply parroted what others have told them. Our school systems, depending on where you live, can provide a very anti-gun message to our children. It is not their fault that they heard it and remembered it.

I'm a strong pro-life advocate
I'm a strong fiscal conservative
etc.

If I completely disassociated myself from everyone who didn't share my exact feelings on every subject, I would be left with a very small circle of contacts. I don't knowingly go to parties where the hosts are strongly anti-gun. But like businesses with whom I would normally never do business, there are times when I need to talk to or meet with people that I would otherwise never visit. Someone said earlier that these are not black and white issues and I have never dealt with them as such. If I have to visit someone I know who is strongly anti-gun, I'll make a determination about what to do with my gun. I can assure you that such problems are the exception, not the rule.

In another post, I talked about being in my church and having a gun related conversation. I was interrupted by a person with a strong anti-gun sentiment. I'm not going to stop going to my church because of her. She knows me now and I know her. We'll agree to disagree about guns and continue attending church together. I carry in church and know that she would have a hissy fit if she knew exactly how close to a gun she was when she was talking to me. She would be one to raise a stink with our church leadership if she every found out but she won't from me. Would I ever accept an invitation to her house if it were in a church related matter? It is hard to say. But if I did go, I would likely leave my gun in my car. Call my schizophrenic but that is just the way that I roll.

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Jihans wrote:A lot of these posts deal in absolutes when there are some gray areas. For example, if I know a relative doesn't like guns I won't carry in their house. Even though they didn't say anything verbally, my knowing their position strikes me as getting notice..... I know not legally.... But I think morally I have to respect that when I go to their house. Or I can chose not to go of course. I'm sure others think differently but I think this can be a gray area. As much as I think anti gun people should respect my right to carry I think I should also consider their feelings when entering their house.

Should we have occasion to visit in the house of those of differing views, the visit is not long. For instance, I only know two people who will admit to voting for the current POTUS. One lives in St. Ignatius, MT and the other lives down the street. We don't see either very much. Birds of a feather tend to flock together....

I'm betting that you know a lot more people who cast incorrect ballots in the last two presidential elections but perhaps only 2 who will admit it. Many Obummer supporters are living to regret their decision. And some of them are choosing to suffer in silence rather than to publicly admit their folly.

I agree that it is a moral rather than just a legal decision whether to carry in someone's house. While I relish standing beside someone in public who rants about the evils of guns and may move closer to them and smile more broadly while I'm doing it, I won't do that same thing on their private property. Just because the other side goes out of their way to trample my rights and my feelings does mean that I have to do likewise.

texanjoker wrote:None of my friends are against guns so I don't worry there. Personally if I am going to be drinking then the answer is no. If not then yes, but if it is at a house I leave the gun in car. I just don't feel the need to pack in a home. If I am that worried I don't go there.

Now at formal parties, the same goes about drinking. Next month we are going to a large one and I'll be armed due to it being downtown Austin. Gotta be safe.

As long as I'm not drinking (and these days I rarely drink outside my home - I'm the designated driver), I carry at parties, funerals, etc. We were at our friend's house yesterday and he has an arsenal so I left my gun in the car.