Thanks, Steve and Hoi. That is the most clear explanation that I've seen to date. My reason for asking is simple. We travel from time to time and if I were stopped out of Texas (particularly some place like WVA or NJ that doesn't honor the Texas CHL, I don't want to be "outed." I will have been smart enough to move guns and ammo to the required separated cases for Federal transport but some of NJ doesn't even honor that. So I'll answer questions truthfully but I'm not volunteering any information. The average LEO on an out of State traffic stop or accident isn't going to ask - unless something prompts him to do so.
Besides, I'm a computer geek and I just like to know how things work.
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- Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:21 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL shows up in background check
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- Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:47 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL shows up in background check
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Re: CHL shows up in background check
I'd like to follow up on this if I might do so. Let's suppose that I'm in NM and have been pulled over for a traffic stop. Can the NM LEO pull the TCIC? I know that he/she should be able to pull the NCIC. I'm assuming that the TCIC would display protective orders, etc. in addition to the CHL.TxLobo wrote: actually the information is attached to the TCIC portion of the 'wanted' return.
running a Texas DL only will not trigger the CHL portion of the database.. an operator must, at the request of an officer run a TCIC/NCIC request on the person.
(TCIC is Texas returns, databases that are pertinent to Texas only. CHL, Texas agency warrants and Protective Orders)
(NCIC is National - out of state warrants, Missing/Endangered persons, )
so just having the DL would not give anyone the CHL information.
If the NM LEO cannot pull TCIC, how else would they know about an active warrant against me by a local municipality? No, I don't have anything like that, I'm just asking. Let's suppose that it is a bench warrant for a traffic fine that I didn't pay. Again, I'm just curious.
- Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:13 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL shows up in background check
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Re: CHL shows up in background check
I don't know the exact title of the search only that the one that discloses your CHL status to LEOs is "wants and warrants." I cannot imagine that the results of that would be available to any commercial investigation mechanism. It would seem to me that it might compromise ongoing LE work. LEOs, please feel free to chime in here. I, too, would like to know more in this area - as much as I'm allowed to know.
There are commercial search programs and you, as an individual, can buy the right to use them to search. If you are a small business owner and wanted to do a BGC on a potential employee prior to hiring them, you can pay to do that, with the information that they provide to you. As I understand it, those searches can be purchase by person, by day, by month and by year. My guess is that larger companies have that same search facility.
My expectation is that the difference between the LEO search and the commercial one is that IN PROGRESS stuff is disclosed. The commercial search is going to find convictions. How much crossover in areas like CHL isn't clear to me. My insurance company, for example, will know how many traffic citations I've been given but I doubt that that is real time data.
I'm getting more and more interested in all types of data about me. In spite of HIPPA, more of my medical information is available to people that shouldn't have it than I want. The same is true with the credit bureau/credit score stuff. Inquiries about my person data should only be given in response to legitimate uses. I'm not sure that the 3 companies who collect this stuff are as careful as they should be.
My employer has a "no firearms" policy but since I work out of my house, it doesn't apply to me unless I got into an established "office" location that they own or lease. I certainly don't want them to be able to perform a query that discloses my CHL. They have no need for that information.
There are commercial search programs and you, as an individual, can buy the right to use them to search. If you are a small business owner and wanted to do a BGC on a potential employee prior to hiring them, you can pay to do that, with the information that they provide to you. As I understand it, those searches can be purchase by person, by day, by month and by year. My guess is that larger companies have that same search facility.
My expectation is that the difference between the LEO search and the commercial one is that IN PROGRESS stuff is disclosed. The commercial search is going to find convictions. How much crossover in areas like CHL isn't clear to me. My insurance company, for example, will know how many traffic citations I've been given but I doubt that that is real time data.
I'm getting more and more interested in all types of data about me. In spite of HIPPA, more of my medical information is available to people that shouldn't have it than I want. The same is true with the credit bureau/credit score stuff. Inquiries about my person data should only be given in response to legitimate uses. I'm not sure that the 3 companies who collect this stuff are as careful as they should be.
My employer has a "no firearms" policy but since I work out of my house, it doesn't apply to me unless I got into an established "office" location that they own or lease. I certainly don't want them to be able to perform a query that discloses my CHL. They have no need for that information.