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by chasfm11
Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:59 am
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Topic: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)
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Re: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)

cirus wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:30 am
So your alright with this same person that just failed their chl class and being denied a license to constitutionally carry in Texas? :headscratch So basically the incompetents will be able to legally carry in Texas without a license but if they want to travel to another state they will need to pass the chl class?
The incompetents carry TODAY. There are people without licenses who carry guns. Some but not all of them have criminal histories. They carry to other States. Some of them drive semi-trucks.

Here is what I believe. For every 1 incompetent person who should never touch a firearm, there are 100 people who if they had one are smart enough to at least handle it properly and not accidentally shoot others. Many of those people, even if Constitutional Carry passes, are worried enough that they are not going to carry their guns every day. 50% of the people with LTCs don't do that either. My guess is that there might be a growth of 5% of guns carried with CC over what there is today. A year from now, 60% of the population will not know anything about it passing.
by chasfm11
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:44 pm
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Topic: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)
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Re: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)

Jusme wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:06 am
There will always be those who do none of these things, whether they are LTC holders or not. But there are also a lot of people who vote without doing any research into the candidates. People who exercise their right of free speech to espouse things that are abhorrent to decent people.

My point is, we can hope and pray that everyone will exercise their rights responsibly, but we cannot withhold them, due to those who do not do so. JMHO
:iagree: This. I work elections and I cringe at how unprepared people are to vote when they show up at the polls. I would really like to sent them home to do some more homework. But they are exercising their right to cast a ballot and neither I nor anyone like me should stand in their way. I feel the same about firearms.
by chasfm11
Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:11 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)
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Views: 15337

Re: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)

It would be interesting to hear the rank and file police officers chime in on the subject of unlicensed carry. My guess is that just like campus carry and open carry, CC passing would not change at all what they do daily.

The implied expectation for putting up the barrier of training for non-licensed carry is that the people who might take advantage of will shoot themselves and potentially others, posing a menace to society. But lets consider that criminals already carry without training. I'm sure that some of them practice but I doubt seriously that they go around taking classes in firearm use and safety. We have all seen the videos of some of the really stupid ones like the guy at hotel counter during a stick up with his finger on the trigger while he was counting the money and off-ed himself. But those see few compared to the number of criminals who use guns effectively against trained police officers. That poses a logical question: who do we think is smarter - criminals or people who want to defend themselves? If untrained criminals can effectively use guns, what is different about ordinary, law-abiding citizens.

The next question is why hasn't unlicensed carry in cars (which as been the law since 2007) have caused more problems. It is a given that maybe not a lot of people know about it and do it. On the other hand, why would it be different than Constitutional Carry? You have to be interested in the goings on in politics to even know what Constitutional Carry even means, in spite of the periodic evening news blitzes about it. I would suspect that a fair number of people have a healthy respect for the fact that you just cannot take a gun anywhere and there are more than a few LTC holders that I've talked to who are really uncomfortable about that, in spite of their class time. Unless you study it after the class, 90% of that material leaves your mind within 6 months.

Finally for me, there is no better example of government mandated training that driving. We all took the classes and the written exam. For some of us, that was a half a century ago. The car is a lethal weapon and we turn millions of people lose with it every day, some of whom probably shouldn't be riding even a bicycle on the public streets. They had the training. And it isn't like we don't have at least 18 clear examples already of States with fair sized populations who have had CC for years and the gun grabbers have been unable to find enough stories because of it to bring onto the evening news. You just know if they could make the case by example (think George Floyd) of what they don't like, they'd be doing it.

Am I in favor of firearms training? Absolutely. I think there out to be PSAs on the media about getting trained. But making it a barrier to carry a gun in public isn't much different than the poll tax to me. I submit that cops should be well trained and they have NDs,, too.

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