gigag04 wrote:txinvestigator wrote:
a) move without confronting anyone with a gun
b) die after confronting the govt with a gun.
Sounds like a stupid battle to me. I don't believe for 1 second you would pull a gun, but I DO understand your aversion to this.
As responsible gun owners we should refrain from lunatical comments about "the wrong side of our guns".[/quote]
Surely 200 something yrs ago there too was a voice:
would you rather?
a.)go ahead and pay a tax without proper representation
OR
b.)die after confronting the (british) governement.
I'm glad they choose to ingore that voice.
You can say you wouldn't "bet for one second", but I bet you won't be first in line to come and be a test case to call my bluff either.
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He wouldn't be the 5th or 100th. He also has a problem with the 1st Amendment.
"As responsible gun owners we should refrain from lunatical comments about "the wrong side of our guns".
Or, at least, anyone excersizing it other than him.
We are all going to die someday. Beats laying in a nursing home bed in your soiled Depends.
There are two sets of 10 Commandments.
1st - Biblical. 2nd - Constitutional.
The first 10 Amendments of the Constitution are/were supposed to be inviolate.
They have raped the 4th with the US Patriot Act. Now they have raped the 5th. How long until your precious 2nd goes down the porcelin fixture?
Go ahead, stick your head back in the sand. All is well. They're from the government and they're here to help. Tune back in to "Desperate Housewives".
You sound like the duck hunters and the pistol shooters during the debate before the AWB. "Why should I care, doesn't affect me. I don't own an AW".
As true today as they were 230 years ago.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
´´...Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the Holy cause of Liberty, and in such a country as that which we posses, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battle for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!´´
--Patrick Henry
Patrick Henry [3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836]:
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."
"The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest and ourselves united. From the conclusion of [their] war [for independence, a nation begins] going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of [that] war will remain on [them] long, will be made heavier and heavier, till [their] rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVII, 1782. (*) ME 2:225
