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TexasFlash wrote:

texanron wrote:

LikesShinyThings wrote:No. Factory ammo, and not cheap garbage, either.

My experience, if you do not have a rock solid grip, the extraction will fail, and you will get stovepipes. Rather, let me change that - if *I* do not have a rock solid grip (apparently more rock solid than I am able to consistently produce), *I* will get failure to eject. I hand the same gun, with same ammo, to others, and they don't appear to have the same problem. Only thing I can figure is it is the way I handle the gun. I have accepted this, and Glock is just not going to be part of my collection. Doesn't mean I denigrate them, but I feel I have to put that issue out there so that others will be aware of it and not jump blind onto the Glock bandwagon.

LikesShinyThings wrote:Let me add that I think the issue is related to the flexing of the gun during firing. Some folks have a firmer, steadier grip and I suspect provide the solid base that the gun needs such that the flex is not an issue. But if the grip is not firm/steady enough, between that and the frame flex (minor, maybe, but my belief just enough), the empty case stovepipes instead of fully clearing the gun during ejection.

Note: I ran into this failure enough times that I convinced myself Glocks and I should not partnered for a shot, so it has been some time since I've shot a Glock and experienced this. Which means I'm running on memory at this point.

Sounds logical to me. I wonder if anyone else has ever run into this with Glocks or any other gun manufacturer.

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not just a Glock thing...
Dave

Maybe. But I have only ever had a problem with the Glock. With all the other handguns I've shot, and there have been a number, I have not encountered this problem. Maybe I have a minor case of limp-wristing, that only becomes apparent in Glock. Don't know. Whatever. I'm ok with shooting other firearms (goodness knows there's a great selection out there) and letting someone else have my share of the Glocks. I'll happily take their share of something else.

FWIW, limp-wristing or not, I'm a pretty decent shot. I make for dead targets quite frequently. I'll never be entertainment-quality sharp-shooter material, but I'm not afraid of missing what I'm aiming at.

texanron wrote:

LikesShinyThings wrote:No. Factory ammo, and not cheap garbage, either.

My experience, if you do not have a rock solid grip, the extraction will fail, and you will get stovepipes. Rather, let me change that - if *I* do not have a rock solid grip (apparently more rock solid than I am able to consistently produce), *I* will get failure to eject. I hand the same gun, with same ammo, to others, and they don't appear to have the same problem. Only thing I can figure is it is the way I handle the gun. I have accepted this, and Glock is just not going to be part of my collection. Doesn't mean I denigrate them, but I feel I have to put that issue out there so that others will be aware of it and not jump blind onto the Glock bandwagon.

LikesShinyThings wrote:Let me add that I think the issue is related to the flexing of the gun during firing. Some folks have a firmer, steadier grip and I suspect provide the solid base that the gun needs such that the flex is not an issue. But if the grip is not firm/steady enough, between that and the frame flex (minor, maybe, but my belief just enough), the empty case stovepipes instead of fully clearing the gun during ejection.

Note: I ran into this failure enough times that I convinced myself Glocks and I should not partnered for a shot, so it has been some time since I've shot a Glock and experienced this. Which means I'm running on memory at this point.

Sounds logical to me. I wonder if anyone else has ever run into this with Glocks or any other gun manufacturer.

I can't speak for other people, but as for guns - granted I don't have a huge repertoire, but Glock is the only gun on which I've ever personally encountered this problem.

LikesShinyThings wrote: No. Factory ammo, and not cheap garbage, either.

My experience, if you do not have a rock solid grip, the extraction will fail, and you will get stovepipes. Rather, let me change that - if *I* do not have a rock solid grip (apparently more rock solid than I am able to consistently produce), *I* will get failure to eject. I hand the same gun, with same ammo, to others, and they don't appear to have the same problem. Only thing I can figure is it is the way I handle the gun. I have accepted this, and Glock is just not going to be part of my collection. Doesn't mean I denigrate them, but I feel I have to put that issue out there so that others will be aware of it and not jump blind onto the Glock bandwagon.

Let me add that I think the issue is related to the flexing of the gun during firing. Some folks have a firmer, steadier grip and I suspect provide the solid base that the gun needs such that the flex is not an issue. But if the grip is not firm/steady enough, between that and the frame flex (minor, maybe, but my belief just enough), the empty case stovepipes instead of fully clearing the gun during ejection.

Note: I ran into this failure enough times that I convinced myself Glocks and I should not partnered for a shot, so it has been some time since I've shot a Glock and experienced this. Which means I'm running on memory at this point.

texanron wrote:

DFWTT wrote:

LikesShinyThings wrote:[snip] Glocks are considered fine firearms by many. I won't praise or condemn them. I will say I can't shoot them. If you don't have a rock solid grip on them, they WILL misfeed - my experience being FTE. I have had more stovepipes than I care to count.[/snip]

Probably due to using junk reloaded ammo. That would be my guess.

No. Factory ammo, and not cheap garbage, either.

My experience, if you do not have a rock solid grip, the extraction will fail, and you will get stovepipes. Rather, let me change that - if *I* do not have a rock solid grip (apparently more rock solid than I am able to consistently produce), *I* will get failure to eject. I hand the same gun, with same ammo, to others, and they don't appear to have the same problem. Only thing I can figure is it is the way I handle the gun. I have accepted this, and Glock is just not going to be part of my collection. Doesn't mean I denigrate them, but I feel I have to put that issue out there so that others will be aware of it and not jump blind onto the Glock bandwagon.

Welcome aboard, SpikeTX!

Well, you know opinions... everyone has one. So I'll share a couple of mine.

Glocks are considered fine firearms by many. I won't praise or condemn them. I will say I can't shoot them. If you don't have a rock solid grip on them, they WILL misfeed - my experience being FTE. I have had more stovepipes than I care to count.

I will also suggest do not discount too quickly the humble .380. It may not have umph of a .45, but it sure beats an empty hand. And sometimes, you just want small and sleek. I don't hesitate to carry a .380. If you get one with the right design (eg, Sig P238, Colt Mustang [I hear it's coming back in production]), the perceived recoil is quite light. This makes them good candidates for the recoil-sensitive. The available smaller size also makes them good for the small-handed.

Some more food for thought.