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harrycallahan wrote:

E.Marquez wrote:

harrycallahan wrote:I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

You must have had some very interesting run-ins with the police. I haven't had any since I quit the dept. 15 years ago and I haven't had any before that since I was a teenager. What I had in my mind as a possible traffic stop was clearly different than what you had in mind. I suspect that if an officer were to do as you have described that he'd find himself either 1.) charged with a crime or 2.) fired or both. I think, I sure hope that police officers aren't the crazies you've described.

Crazy? '
An officer tells a violator that has been detained he will be disarmed, and the detainee reaches for the gun.. muttering something about unloading it.. and you think it would be crazy for the officer to tell the detainee to STOP, DO NOT PUT YOUR HAND ON THE WEAPON??.. And when the detainee continued to move to the gun the officers more aggressive response would not be justified? You call that crazy? Interesting



And for the record, I have had NO , NONE, ZERO bad encounters with law enforcement, EVER.. And only two contacts in the last 20 years,, both for a minor non moving traffic violations.


best of luck to you if/when you get stopped/ if / when you get disarmed... and you TELL the officer you will be removing, unloading your handgun before you allow him to have it.

Please post the YouTube vid for our entertainment

harrycallahan wrote:I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

I really do think most LEO understand the "Safest" thing to do is leave that gun right where it is, and ask the CHL'er to keep hands away from it.
Only two contacts with LEO's while carrying over the last 22 years or so in 5 states.... and I've never been disarmed. So all I can add is what I will do, not what I've done.

Tell um where it is, what gun it is and that it is loaded and has a round chambered.. I will ask if I may take my belt loose while he removes the holstered gun? That is the only thing I will ask, and no matter the answer..yes or no.. it's his call and I get that.

And I do intend a follow up with his supervisor and a city or state attorney.. where they will be asked by my lawyer for the officers statement articulating the specifics for safety that led him to disarm me. It wont get me anywhere except to put the department and officer on notice,,, that some will question the choice to disarm, and question in an official and potentially litigiousness or punitive manner... All that assuming im not being contacted for a violation that if convicted WOULD be cause for the loss of my CHL. I would not question an officers decision to disarm if he was contacting a person suspected of a violent or other serious crime.