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wharvey wrote:

bronco78 wrote:When I disarm, the gun comes out of the holster, by OWB belt holster is not coming off.
I have never understood the fearful position many folks on this list present with handling a weapon . ie, don’t handle it excessive it might go off” “never handle the gun more than required, you might have an ND” both of those phrases and MANY more are found in post here, and I find them curious. If you know in advance you are unqualified to handle a weapon, (the only reason for such a mental position like those above IMHO) Then put the unloaded weapon back in the gun safe until you can get the training, practice sufficiently to not be so concerned that you will mishandle your weapon. Being so scared of your weapon, you refuse to touch it out of a holster for fear it will go off, is simply unfathomable to me.

I agree with you but many years ago I remember reading that some large police departments started requiring their plain clothes officers to use paddle holsters so that they could remove their guns and secure them in their desk without removing them from their holsters. They were having too many NDs.

A common administrator reaction to what is a leadership decision, action needed.. Address the symptom, not the training issue is common when desk jockeys are allowed to lead.

I see it all to often in my job.
We call them leaf eaters... a Meat eater would have worked the team, individual at the drill or task at hand till sweat and blood was present in equal amounts, and the same result would have been reached.. NO ND's. The ADMIN type found an easy solution.

SpringerFan wrote:I use a supertuck and a comp-tac spartan. If I loosen my belt a little, either one will slide up and out of my pants pretty easily. Even from a seated position in a vehicle, just grab each clip and lift. Keeps the gun safely in kydex.

That is the one holster I own with clips,, but man, those clips work.,, And I found the really scare up my gun belts if I try and drag the metal clips over the belt with any tension. Better to unthread the belt from the clips.

And again for the "Keeps the gun safely in kydex" What make the gun unsafe out of Kydex?

I see comments like that and think.. My guns have never fired themselves, in holster or out, they only go bang when I ask them to.... And then, if I one was that concerned that one might have an ND with the weapon out outside the holster in non stressful events like, disarming at the post office or at home at night, or, whatever, what’s going to happen when the weapon needs to be drawn in a stress filled event?

To any and all, that is not a flame about ones chosen practices JUst how my mind works about things like a required task, it's accidental risks, what one does to mitigate such risks and the risidual risk.

SpringerFan wrote:, I remove holster and gun together. Slowly, carefully, and methodically. Then they go into locked console until I return.

I see that response a lot in this forum.... I did not realize so many folks use paddle or clip on holsters.. I own off the top of my head 14-hand guns, each with at least one holster, many 2 or three. The only clip on holster I have is the IWB we all love…,, But I’d be hard pressed to remove it from my belt with my pants still on And I’d be more likely to get rousted by LEOS with my paints off then them noticing my take my gun from my holster... In know I know, but what about an ND…. Well I hate to admit it, but I have not trained though repetition on ND’s very well, or ever…So I just never seem to have one

The Annoyed Man wrote:I don't obsess. I just look around to make sure that there is nobody nearby watching, and then I pull the gun while I'm still sitting in the car and slide it under the seat. If I'm going to be more than a minute, I unlock my little under-seat lock-box, lock the gun in it and slide it back under the seat. Reverse when I return. If I am far enough away to where I am pretty sure that there are no observers anywhere near by, I'll get out of the car first, unholster and put the gun away, and then re-holster it that way when I get back. But for me, that is more of a comfort thing than a safety thing. I just don't let anything, including my booger-hook, get inside the trigger guard. It's not that hard to do.

However, in general, I just don't go inside places where I can't carry. About the only exception to that is gun shows............and no, I don't want to start another of the endless "why can't I carry in a gun show?" threads.

That is it exactly. I think the ONLY place I go with my weapon Im required to disarm is the Post Office, and ER... the 1st is planed, the second happens more then I care to admit, and it's never negligent

When I disarm, the gun comes out of the holster, by OWB belt holster is not coming off.
I have never understood the fearful position many folks on this list present with handling a weapon . ie, don’t handle it excessive it might go off” “never handle the gun more than required, you might have an ND” both of those phrases and MANY more are found in post here, and I find them curious. If you know in advance you are unqualified to handle a weapon, (the only reason for such a mental position like those above IMHO) Then put the unloaded weapon back in the gun safe until you can get the training, practice sufficiently to not be so concerned that you will mishandle your weapon. Being so scared of your weapon, you refuse to touch it out of a holster for fear it will go off, is simply unfathomable to me.