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by seamusTX
Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:10 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
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Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

I can't say what Mr. Ayoob knows or doesn't know.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
Replies: 20
Views: 2401

Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

You also may note that Ms. Assam is often referred to as a "police officer" or "security guard."

She was not a police officer at the time of the incident. She was not a paid or commissioned security guard. She was a member of a volunteer security patrol at the church. She had held law-enforcement positions in the past.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:36 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
Replies: 20
Views: 2401

Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

Ms. Assam shot the criminal shooter, Murray. Murray then shot himself. I have not run across an official document that says which shot was fatal.

In any case, the fact that she shot him undoubtedly terminated the shooting spree. Otherwise Murray was prepared to kill and injure many more people.

You can verify all this by searching for "New Life Church Jeanne Assam."

- Jim
by seamusTX
Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
Replies: 20
Views: 2401

Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

I don't know; but for every multiple-victim school shooting probably there are 100 incidents where someone intervenes before the first shot is fired. Sometimes the would-be berserker is referred to mental health or the juvenile "system" because of threats or some offense like showing off a weapon.

This page is interesting: http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvscho.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim
by seamusTX
Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:10 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
Replies: 20
Views: 2401

Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

Right. Whitman was UT Austin. I just copied the list. Some of the other incidents sounded familiar.

I suggest verifying all of them.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:01 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
Replies: 20
Views: 2401

Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

  • Texas A&M (1966) - Armed civilians lay down suppressive fire against shooter Charles Whitman, forcing him to take cover and severely restricting his field of view. Allen Crum ascends the tower with police. Whitman is killed.
  • Pearl, Mississippi (1997) - Principal Joel Myrick stops school shooter Luke Woodham (who has already killed 3) by pointing a .45 at him as he fled the scene (intending to continue his spree at the nearby Junior High School). Myrick later tells the press he kept the gun in his vehicle specifically in case something like this ever happened.
  • Edinboro, Pennsylvania (1997) - Civilian James Strand convinces a juvenile shooter to surrender by pointing a shotgun at him. The shooter had already killed one person and wounded two others.
  • Virginia School Of Law (2002) - Armed with their personal firearms (retrieved from their cars), students Tracy Bridges and Ted Besen subdue shooter Peter Odighizuwa while he is in the middle of a physical struggle with a police officer.
  • Colorado Springs (2007) - Church shooter Matthew Murray, who had already taken four lives at two other churches, is killed by volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam.
You need to understand the attitude of "antis" about these incidents, though: The gun might have "gone off." Someone might have got hurt. The poor child just needed understanding. If guns were banned, the child wouldn't have had one, yada, yada, yada.

The will even say that the rarity of these incidents "proves" that guns don't prevent crime.
:grumble

- Jim
by seamusTX
Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Guns stopping School Rampages
Replies: 20
Views: 2401

Re: Guns stopping School Rampages

There have been only a few incidents where non-LEOs intervened in school rampages in the U.S. The incidents are rare to begin with, they are over quickly, and few school personnel are armed or prepared to do anything.

However, you might be interested in the Israeli experience in this regard:
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The Israelis do not pussyfoot around with puny handguns carried by the occasional teacher or staff member that may have their equivalent of a CHL. They issue automatic carbines or rifles. They send trained armed guards with school groups going to risky areas.

- Jim

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