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by seamusTX
Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:56 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
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ELB wrote:I have to quibble a bit with Seamus/Jim on two points (as I have quibbled before ;-) ). Point the first: while almost all the examples I have found WRT to prosecutions of the most recent GFSZA are indeed as part of prosecution of greater crimes (e.g. drug dealing), I do not believe that means it would never be prosecuted against someone's whose gun possession came to police notice in a less criminal way -- say a teacher or parent who parked in a high school parking lot who got ratted out by someone unhappy with them (and the teacher or parent does not have a CHL or other GFSZA exception). It would depend on how interested the police and the federal jurisdiction are in making an example. It is not a risk I would run lightly.
Your point is worth considering, for the person who does not want to risk federal prosecution.

At the same time, I regard this law as a monstrosity. It makes most of the area of most cities off-limits to most otherwise legal uses of firearms; and it is nearly impossible to know if one is violating it. How can you know if you are within 1,000 feet of school property in an area that you are not familiar with? Simply driving through town on an interstate would put you in multiple school zones.

Someday it has to be struck down or repealed.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:49 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
Replies: 33
Views: 3209

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57Coastie wrote:"why can't computer instructions be written for idiots, with pictures? Might there be a little job protection at play here, too?" ;-)
I can answer that from a professional point of view, since I write computer documentation for a living.

We work under a set of assumptions about users that consistently prove to be overoptimistic, and the cost of customer support on account of that is high.

There are two excellent series of books titled The Complete Idiot's Guide to .... and ... for Dummies, which are written by people who have no direct relationship with computer manufacturers or software publishers.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:01 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
Replies: 33
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There are two aspects here:

1. It is not a crime to store your weapon in your vehicle on the premises of a public school. However, the statutes are just a stack of dead trees until a judge tells someone to follow them. That rarely happens.

2. Any organization can make rules for employees, students, or customers that result in some kind of discipline or penalty outside the judicial system. A simple example is the dress code. There is no law against wearing any kind of clothing, but schools can set dress codes and discipline students for violating them. Restaurants generally do not allow people to enter without shoes or shirts, or to bring in pets (not service animals).

- Jim
by seamusTX
Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:35 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
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The definition of school zone is cleverly hidden in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b):
(25) The term "school zone" means - (A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or (B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school. (26) The term "school" means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law.
Probably the term secondary is defined somewhere as grades 9 through 12. Remember that federal law treats primary and secondary schools differently from colleges in many ways.

Also colleges and vocational training schools are commonly called "post-secondary."

All of this discussion is just that until an appeals court rules.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:50 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
Replies: 33
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IMHO, many federal laws are written loosely, so that more prosecutions are possible.

Whether this is planned or just due to carelessness, I don't know. Probably both in different cases.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
Replies: 33
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The literal text of the law, 18 USC 922(q)(1), is "not loaded."

Since no definition of loaded is given, I would think that meant that the firearm did not contain any ammunition within the chamber, magazine, or cylinder in the case of a revolver.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:00 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
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Views: 3209

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Hi Plainsman wrote:I have a lockable compartment in my vehicle, do you believe this would be sufficient to meet this criteria?
I think it would, but I am not a cop or lawyer.

I made an incorrect statement earlier: The weapon must be unloaded and locked up, not unloaded or locked up.

The only exception to the unloaded rule is for hunters who have permission from the school administration. That probably never has occurred.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:21 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
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Hi Plainsman wrote:Doesn't the Federal Gun Free Zone require you to be licensed by your state?
It does. Otherwise the firearm must be unloaded and locked in a case or rack (both conditions are required).

However, that law is never prosecuted against anyone who is not committing some other crime, like assault or drug dealing. An earlier version of it was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, and it's quite likely that it would be struck down again if they tried to enforce it.

- Jim
P.S.: Edited to correct earlier incorrect statement.
by seamusTX
Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:40 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: the actual law for...
Replies: 33
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Everything is legal unless the law defines it as a crime.

The Texas Penal Code is here: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/S ... /PE.46.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Section 46.03 of the Penal Code defines places weapons prohibited:
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.
Then we look at PC 46.035(a):
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
It does not seem to matter whether you have a CHL or not as far as keeping a handgun in your car.

However, this is a fairly new law. Many cops may be unaware of it; and if they should find that you have a firearm, you may be arrested. It might cost you some money to get the charges dropped.

I am not a lawyer and this should not be considered legal advice.

This is bizarre: The earlier post that gave the law was not there when I posted. Otherwise I would not have bothered.

- Jim

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