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by OldSchool
Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:00 pm
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Topic: Why I Hate College Bookstores
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Re: Why I Hate College Bookstores

The Annoyed Man wrote:My mother authored a couple of textbooks for French classes. Guess which books she used when she taught her own classes? The cost back then wasn't even close to today's prices, but I seem to remember that it went for about $25 or so, and this was back in the 1970s. OTH, she didn't get rich on it either. In the end, she pretty much did it for the love of teaching, because I'll bet that she didn't make more than a penny an hour for all the tons of time she put into it—if she made anything at all.

The cold hard reality of textbook pricing (even if you remove the university's artificially induced overpricing) is that they just aren't published in large enough numbers, compared to commercial fiction for instance, to keep the unit production cost down. Add in that the authors deserve to get paid for their work, the distribution network costs have to be covered, and the publisher needs to make a profit, and the retail cost per unit goes up considerably.

That may not change the fact that a given university's bookstore is run by crooks and enforces insane policies, but even if they were run by Mother Teresa, the books would still be pretty expensive. Academia ought to be called out on the ecological impact of their revisions. The rational way to do textbooks in this day and age is to have students buy a Kindle, or a Nook, or an iPad (or some other similar technology costing a fraction of a semester's book budget), and make the textbooks available for download at a very reduced price. The technology costs a small portion of a total book budget; the books can sell for much less money; the cost of producing electronic revisions is vastly less expensive than reprinting a book; you get to save a tree; you only need to buy the device once and you can resell it if you decide you don't want to keep it upon graduation........WHY AREN'T THEY ALREADY DOING THIS????
It is being done, and is increasing in use.
Two problems that I have with it (and has been corroborated by many of my students, young and old):
1) With an e-book, the purchaser no longer owns the book. As with all (stupid) intellectual property laws, the "software" is owned by the author or distributor, and can be disabled at any time.
2) It seems that many people can not easily read electronic ink or LCD devices. We just bought two (a cheap LCD tablet for me, a Nook for DynaBlue) for our recent trip. While they have their very nice points, there are times when they simply aren't as eye-friendly as regular paper.
3) It would probably be unusable in 50 years, unlike our physical books (how about if Einstein's original treatises on Gravity had been originally published in e-format?).

As with everything, one size does not fit all. It has it's place, but it has its problems.
by OldSchool
Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:28 pm
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Topic: Why I Hate College Bookstores
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Re: Why I Hate College Bookstores

snatchel wrote:...and decided to go back to school after separation so Im using the GIBILL now. It gives me a 500 dollar stipend for books, plus the 1100 a month for living expenses.
You're fortunate. One of our sons is out, and VA has yet to get him sufficient money for books -- and never on time.
snatchel wrote:Several times i have been able to sell the books back because of edition changes-garbage
Paying 200 for a book and selling it back for 3.25 - garbage
Not allowing me to give rentals back because of damage I didnt do-garbage
To be fair, the bookstores haven't sufficient managerial understanding to figure out what to do with used books, so I think they sort of "wing" it and do what all the others do. They could do better, if they knew enough -- and that's all I care to say about that.
snatchel wrote:Amazon.com is my new friend....
You seem to have found the answer! :tiphat:
by OldSchool
Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:10 pm
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Topic: Why I Hate College Bookstores
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Re: Why I Hate College Bookstores

03Lightningrocks wrote:The professors are in on the scam as well.
I'd like to see some of that "scam" money. :evil2:

I've been as shocked as anyone when I found out the prices on new books. I complained enough about the content in the old book we were using (much of it opinionated and wrong), that I was in on choosing the new book for this Fall. Far better, and significantly cheaper (paperback helps). Still not like the $15 texts I bought when first starting college, but the dollar has decreased in worth 8-10 times in that period as well.

It really boils down to what students are capable of paying. When I went, student loans were small and infrequent; I worked my way through school (so it took many, many years longer than the "norm"). As of now, far too many students have been going on student loans (and credit cards) for far too long, such that the colleges and book publishers have decided they can charge about anything they want -- with no one fighting back. In fact, the statistics show that, as of this year, student loans are the fastest-increasing category of consumer debt. A vicious spiral upwards, and it's going to come down hard in the future, because students are finally seeing that they will probably never be able to repay their college debt!

ETA: I still have essentially all of my textbooks. I believe in books, and have made good use of them (in all subjects) for myself and my family for many years. We were dirt poor, and books were mighty good friends.

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