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by OldSchool
Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:26 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Suspicious Street Encounter: true story.
Replies: 24
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Re: Suspicious Street Encounter: true story.

drjoker wrote:Dude,

Have you guys ever heard of firm verbal commands, tactical flashlights, and pepper spray?! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if all you carry is a deadly weapon, then if the situation was one that a deadly weapon is excessive, you would be left with nothing to defend yourself. BEFORE you carry a gun, carry pepper spray. Before you carry pepper spray, carry a tactical flashlight. Before you carry a tactical flashlight, learn to de-escalate situations with a firm voice, body language, an apology, etc. If you can't carry all that with the gun, then go WITHOUT the gun or just carry a mouse gun.

Just like the old adage, "Don't take a knife to a gunfight," here's an additional one for you, "don't take a gun to a word fight," or, "don't pull out a gun at a food fight," etc.

I've had a similar situation happen to me before. I was at a drive through at night and some goober WALKED towards my car at night. I saw him in the rear view mirror. So, I shined my tactical flashlight in his eyes and asked, "What do you want?"

"Sorry, I snuck up on you," he replied as he left.

Although there's no legit reason to WALK towards someone's car at night that's parked in a drive through, pulling a gun on him would've been excessive as he has not presented deadly force so there's no justification to put deadly force into the equation. No need to ESCALATE a situation that could've been DE-ESCALATED.

Stay safe y'all,
:tiphat:

Remember, what gun/caliber you carry is not important. The most important weapon is the grey stuff in-between your ears. A gun is least important for self-defense because its usage is only in the gravest extreme as a LAST resort.
DJ, I'm not sure to whom you're directing this post, but I agree with you. (If directed at me, please don't call me "dude" -- where I come from that's an insult....) :mrgreen:

If I were becoming more concerned about the individual, and we were getting within a few yards, and there were no one else around, I would start similarly to your suggestion, saying, "Excuse me" and waiting for the reaction, and maybe "Can I help you?" That typically puts the other person more off guard than when/if I start raising my voice.
by OldSchool
Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Suspicious Street Encounter: true story.
Replies: 24
Views: 3266

Re: Suspicious Street Encounter: true story.

KD5NRH wrote:
radioflyer wrote:Perhaps I shold have clarified: The hands wern't in pockets....rather inside the flaps of the jacket opening....the location where some carry a shoulder rig.
Also, the location of nice warm armpits; the best place for cold, numb fingers.
I must agree. No matter the weather, this (so far) is a case of overreaction.
Here's something for thought: Would the situation have gone the way it did were the first person unarmed?
by OldSchool
Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Suspicious Street Encounter: true story.
Replies: 24
Views: 3266

Re: Suspicious Street Encounter: true story.

Hoi Polloi wrote:Imagine being the other guy! You are walking along when someone in a defensive posture tells you to turn around and put his hands to your sides. :eek6
:iagree:
Hands in an overcoat, no matter the weather, only puts that individual on my radar. It would take a lot more cues to cause me to accost (and I strongly believe that's the correct word in this case) that individual. If I had been the one in the overcoat, and were accosted in that manner, I myself would have felt even more cause to be concerned about the person accosting me, and I would have certainly refused those commands (while looking for a way out).

As we've done for real very often (typically unarmed), the most either of us here would have done (in the absence of other cues) would have been to keep our distance and continue monitoring the individual.

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