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Thanks for that followup article; does make a point...
ban gunfree high point/easy point scoring/safe for criminal zones
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1291408" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dave2 wrote:

VMI77 wrote:What about stories like that of the store owner in Houston who got in a gun battle with four gang bangers and though wounded himself, killed all of them, saving himself and his wife from being murdered? They were Hispanic, so it seems like political correctness alone would make that a great story, but a huge percentage of the population would find that kind of bravery and indomitable spirit inspiring. Not in the national news, nor is virtually any such story of self-defense. Those of us who don't live in Houston probably wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't for the internet and forums like this one.

I still didn't know about it... Guess I'll have to pay more attention to the non-political threads.

he almost died trying to use 3 low capacity guns for defense.

most stories read 2 guns
pistol from his waistband a
and the shotgun
but IIRC he or his son said three guns, the waistband one, another one to get to the shotgun, and the shotgun


Googleable:
Houston, Texas
Ramon Castillo and Eva, his wife of 30 years, Jewelry Store owners face-off with three armed men who were going to tie them up and shoot them in the head. Four bullets pierced Castillo's body six times because he had to run around getting 3 different "low capacity" guns to fight back.
Castillo's condition was upgraded to fair Wednesday, and he is expected to recover fully. The family has set up a website to help with medical bills. Though "regular" capacity magazines in a "normal" capacity Glock could have benefited Mr. Castillo.

a few links, though there are more in Google

Sources: Suspects killed by Houston jewelry store owner had been on robbery spree http://www.khou.com/news/Police-identif ... 83964.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Store owner who killed suspects in critical condition
Monday, December 20, 2010
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=7850426" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Family of store owner wounded in shootout speaks out
Wednesday, December 22, 2010
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=7858614" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Son: Killing 3 robbers weighs on East End shopkeeper
Struggle continues for East End store owner
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 708222.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TexasGal wrote:It is shocking to see how fast and how effectively the media has jumped on a wrenching tragedy of epic proportions not to focus attention on untreated or unrecognized dangerous individuals or inadequate school security, but to get their own agenda on gun control pushed to the front of everyone's mind. When was the last time you saw a story where a drunk or deranged person plowed through a bunch of innocent people with his car and the news focused on which kind of car it was, how fast it could go, how big was the motor? Let's talk about banning any car that will go faster than peddling speed... I am hearing nothing on the news that is balanced at all.

Why are we not discussing the fact this kid simply shot the glass out of a door and walked right into that school where not one armed person was present who could stop him? Maybe the doors to each classroom should have been locked as well as the exterior doors. Today, I read a kid in Oklahoma was arrested because he had been trying to recruit classmates to help him murder his classmates at school. I sure hope every school in this country is putting together a better plan today than they had yesterday starting with the doors and having armed protection.

Crime
Police: Okla. Teen Arrested After Plotting to Bomb, Gun Down Students in School Auditorium

Posted on December 15, 2012
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TheBlaze/AP) — An Oklahoma high school student is in custody on charges he plotted to bomb and shoot students at the Bartlesville High School auditorium on the same day 26 people were shot and killed at an elementary school in Connecticut.

They should pass more laws against bombs; that'd fix it... maybe a bomb-free-zone sign could help too.
I'd FEEL safer in a bomb-free zone ... wouldn't you? .... call the sign printer, I might get one for the house ... why didn't we think of that, posting signs in the 1960s when Cuba had Russian missiles, instead of ducking under the desks training ?
Bomb Free Zone sign
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Victim of Central Texas Luby's shooting discusses gun rights, CT shooting

Posted on December 14, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Updated yesterday at 7:21 PM

It's almost impossible to beleive {SIC} that a mass shooting could happen at an elementary school. Friday's shooting has shaken many, and renews the critical debate over gun control.

http://www.kvue.com/video?id=183582241&sec=551407" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KVUE Austin just interviewed Dr Hupp, Luby's mass shooting survivor (former Representative) regarding this incident

"why treat teachers as second class citizens disallowing them to protect my children when most everyone else in the State can carry?"

or something like that

http://www.kvue.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interestingly, many of these mass shooters have a commonality ... Connecticut shooting suspect was honors student

MadMonkey wrote:

barstoolguru wrote: Me; personally I blame the video game that teach the kids it’s OK to kill or maim hundreds of people at a time

I'm assuming you're not a gamer... correct?

People often tend to blame things they don't understand. I have played hundreds of games since I was a kid, and a huge number of those had me shooting SOMEONE. I think I turned out alright.... and there are hundreds of thousands of other adults who had the same outcome.

I HAVE seen kids who were literally frightening to watch play the same games, however. The ones who you can tell are playing BECAUSE they get to kill people.

Is that the game's fault? No.

You can't put a simple label onto the cause of something like this. It's no more a game's fault that it is a gun's fault or the fault of the school for being there.

Games have gotten almost as bad of a rap as guns have in the past 20 years.

a game he saw caused it
violent cartoons he saw caused it
a TV show he saw caused it
A movie the guy saw one time caused it
(these have also all been blamed in the past; before computer games existed)

Summary:
parents not putting blinders on kids like horses wear caused it

shies : 3rd person singular present, plural of shy
Verb

(esp. of a horse) Start suddenly aside in fright at an object, noise, or movement.

oh ... it had to be the gun/knife/black clothing/grenade launcher/fertilizer used in a bomb/natural gas pipe/car/match heads/gasoline/butane-propane tank/ inanimate object that caused it... if we did away with those things ...I guess we'd walk instead of drive and be colder and have dead grass for fueling wildfires and less protected and feeeeel safer

Ryan is 24, he's on Twitter tweeting,,,

Adam the 20-year-old younger brother is deceased at the school after shooting ...

Adam had OCD and Asperger syndrome; 20 years old, and I assume couldn't buy a pistol legally so ... more laws?
http://www.aspergers.com/aspcomor.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TV News man may be about to interview 24-yr-old Ryan (who they first said did it)

(Edit - Statement was Ryan may be about to be *questioned* so ... probably by LEOs ... not reporters)

EL29jm wrote:From listening to current reports the weapons used were a; Glock, Sig Sauer and a Bushmaster.
Will expect much more focus on teh Bushmaster once the media figures out what it looks like.

was 20-year old Adam (the shooter) old enough to legally have THE GLOCK?


They need more laws, wait, I think they had one ... never mind ...

Newman says today it was a Glock and a .223 shell casing

(that's what caused some of those others too)

ban .223 and Glock

yeah, that'll fix it

those .223 thingymajiggers like in the theater

difficulty of having the right to own guns as opposed to protecting our children".

The way THEY think is the problem ... as opposed to

sjfcontrol wrote:Fox is reporting the shooter's father was found dead in NJ.

This is becoming quite strange...

Reports: Alleged shooter's brother now found dead.

yep, real strange

A brother of Ryan Lanza was found dead in a residential location searched in Hoboken, New Jersey, a senior law enforcement official said.

perpetrator
person perpetrator lived with
his mom the teacher
her class
now brother and dad?

some station reporting a mother dead at her home ... not sure if it's the shooter's mother or the mother of the shooter's child
============================

ok his mother, shooter's mother, a teacher at that school .. is deceased

Sovereign Governmental immunity should not exist for things so foreseeable;

Ericstac wrote:

rp_photo wrote:Prayers and best wishes to the victims.

To those who are saying "Something should be done!", the Gun-Free School Zones law was enacted in 1990.

And unless the shooter was licensed to carry, it can't be blamed on CHL holders.

In short, it's a people problem, not a gun problem.

something should be done!

these darn gun free zones need to go. my wife is a teacher and it makes me sick to see this stuff happening and all the teachers are told to do is to block themselves in there room and be a freaking target.. sick..

our schools need gun toting personnel to make these idiots think twice before pulling these massacres on our little children.. a freaking kindergarden class for chirst sakes

A tweet I just read

Jake Scofield ‏@jake_scofield

We had multiple shootings at Univ Of Arizona. Our answer? Legalized all students & faculty to conceal carry firearms. No more shootings.

multiple guns ... hundreds of shots
here comes the " hi-capacity maga --- clips caused it " bills

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