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wgoforth wrote:

jimlongley wrote:Talk about dishonesty. She said, and the original print article did too, that "we did other research and found that there are notable studies . . ."

But now, in the ultimate act of dishonesty, they have changed the print to state "A notable study . . ."

I still want to know what other "notable studies" (plural) they found, or was that a lie too?

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She responded and said it was the Donohue study at http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewconten ... hn_donohue" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And Donahue is IMHO, as the Urban Dictionary defines/describes: Educated Idiot

An Educated Idiot is a person that went to college, but is dumber than a rock. The Educated Idiot feels like he/she is smart, but ...

Example: Obama has Harvard credentials .... He thinks he knows the answers and can fix the economy, unemployment and the world's problems

C-dub wrote:Isn't it the other way around? I mean, who goes and buys a gun from a store, where gun sales can be tracked, to commit a crime with? Sure, there are bound to be some, but I'd bet that a large majority of guns used in crimes are obtained by means other than honestly or in ways that can be tracked. I think that gun sales go up in response to violent crime.

The number of new gun licences issued on the Gold Coast has risen 36 per cent in the past two years, nearly double the increase across Queensland, with one criminologist attributing the rise to fears over home invasions

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and
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Superintendent Hutchinson says the figures have no bearing on the crime rate.

"Self defence is not a reason to get a gun licence and our experience is that these offences aren't committed by licensed gun holders anyway, generally they're unlicensed firearms," he told reporters on Friday.

"We generally don't have any issues with licensed gun holders."

WildBill wrote:

RPB wrote:John J. Donohue III has an "expert" opinion on everything (You lawyers/legal profession guys know what I mean by "expert")

He does have impressive credentials - Standford Professor, Harvard Law graduate, Yale Phd.
A good mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Reminds me ...The type that when matriculation or registration for classes was going on would come ask for help and I'd say "you have a doctorate right? and they'd ask how I knew, and I'd reply all the lower classmen filled out the papers without needed help, only people in doctorate programs require assistance (and it's true)
With a few people, their education impedes their ability to think.
I'm not much a respecter of credentials from irrational people whose I.Q. is lower than mine if they can't reason logically.
But, yeah, he got money to buy credentials somewhere and sat through classes ...and... then regurgitate what the school/professor fed him in a manner that pleased them.

Let the TV station know that the author of that study believes abortion reduces crime too and that John J. Donohue III has an "expert" opinion on everything (You lawyers/legal profession guys know what I mean by "expert")

Racial Bias in Motor Vehicle Searches: Theory and Evidence
A Test of Racial Bias in Capital Sentencing
Abortion reduces crime
Guns Reduce Crime Debate

Key Works
John J. Donohue III, and Justin Wolfers (2005), Uses and Abuses of Empirical Evidence in the Death Penalty Debate, Stanford Law Review 58: 791-846.
John J. Donohue III and Steven D. Levitt, Further Evidence that Legalized Abortion Lowered Crime, 39 Journal of Human Resources 29-49 (Winter 2004).
Ayres, Ian and John J. Donohue, III (2003), Shooting Down the ‘More Guns, Less Crime’ Hypothesis, Stanford Law Review. 55: 1193-1312.
John J. Donohue III and Peter Siegelman, Allocating Resources Among Prisons and Social Programs in the Battle Against Crime, 27 Journal of Legal Studies 1-43 (1998).
John J. Donohue III and Peter Siegelman, The Selection of Employment Discrimination Disputes for Litigation: Using Business Cycle Effects to Test the Priest-Klein Hypothesis, 24 Journal of Legal Studies 427-462 (1995).
John Donohue III and James Heckman, Continuous Versus Episodic Change: The Impact of Civil Rights Policy on the Economic Status of Blacks, 29 Journal of Economic Literature 1603 (1993).


In the News

Another Reprieve
The Economist, April 20, 2012
Death Penalty Repeal Goes To Connecticut Governor
The New York Times, April 11, 2012
Stand Your Ground And Concealed Weapons Laws
WAMU 88.5 - The Diane Rehm Show, April 03, 2012
The Random Horror Of The Death Penalty
The New York Times, January 07, 2012
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Seriously, he has an opinion on "everything"
http://works.bepress.com/john_donohue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://ideas.repec.org/e/pdo40.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Citing a study by him is like having a cart pulled by a unicorn, both require a lot of imagination to believe.

Note the authors of that paper
Normally I wouldn't bring up abortion on this forum but for the sake of credibility of the authors ...
http://www.abortiontv.com/Glitch/AbortionAndCrime.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By legalizing abortion in 1973, did the Supreme Court also drive down the American crime rate during the later Nineties? Professors Steven D. Levitt of the U. of Chicago and John J. Donohue III of Stanford think so.

That "study" was also a farce
http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL06/randylaura.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Abortion Link to Crime Decrease Debunked

The author is a quack, ... feel free to relay that to the Station. The "reporter" (fiction writer) needs to VET their sources.

who is John J. Donohue III?
John J. Donohue III is a law professor and economist widely known for his writings on effect of legalized abortion on crime and for his criticism of John Lott

He earned a Ph.D. in economics from Yale in 1986 and a J.D. for Harvard

He is not ... a statistician; he represents himself as ... a researcher/research associate

LabRat wrote:

LabRat wrote:

wgoforth wrote:The report was very good...untill she put in her unsubtantiated claim at the end, that "several notable studies have shown violent crimes go up with gun sales. Ya'll need to floood the comment section below the story.

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Agreed. Left an email for the General Manager asking for a response to the "our research" comment and the assertion that more concealed carry means more crime. Let's see what that person says.

I also asked that this reporter be restricted from reporting untill the comments are explained or retracted.

LabRat

Received a reply from the news station:

Thanks so much for the e-mail -- and for watching KEYE TV News. The source for that last part of the story was a Stanford University study. Here is a link to that study:

http://works.bepress.com/john_donohue/89/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have a great afternoon,
Suzanne Black
KEYE TV News Director

Have not had a chance to read the data yet. But I will.

LabRat

http://www.campuscarry.com/opponents/re ... e-schools/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They back up this assertion with the lone supporting statement, “Professor John J. Donohue of Yale Law School found that, if anything, concealed carry laws like Texas’ ‘are associated with uniform increases in crime.’”

That statement by Professor Donahue refers to his efforts, along with Yale Law professor Ian Ayres[ii], to discredit studies[iii] by John Lott and David Mustard purporting to show that right-to-carry/shall-issue concealed handgun licensing laws lead to a decrease in crime. The study by Donahue and Ayres seeks to discredit the “more guns, less crime” assertion by extending the statistical model used in Lott and Mustard’s 1977-1992 study through 1997.

It’s important to note that the study by Donahue and Ayres focused on the nation as a whole, not on Texas. Even more significantly, it factors in only the first two years of Texas’s concealed handgun licensing program. Clearly, this study is not a scientific or mathematical analysis of the impact of Texas’s concealed handgun licensing laws.

Furthermore, Carlisle E. Moody, Professor of Economics at the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia, and Thomas B. Marvell, attorney-sociologist and director of Justec Research in Williamsburg, Virginia, thoroughly rebut the findings of Donahue and Ayres, in their article “The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws,” in volume 5, issue 3 (September 2008) of Econ Journal Watch. Moody and Marvell state:

While reading Ayres and Donohue’s 2003 article in the Stanford Law Review, we noticed that their analysis did not prove what they said it proved. They claimed that their model proved that shall-issue laws increased crime. Our conclusions are as follows.

More at link above

RGreene wrote:After reviewing the 1,000 page source study (not really 1,000 pages) :-) I again state, you can make STATISTICS say anything. look at flat numbers. No formulas, no "corrections" no removal of this or that, or addition of this or that.

Here's something to chew on...if there were, before RTC, 1,000 murders and 500 agg assaults; then after RTC only 700 murders, yet 600 agg assaults, how would you rate this? The number of murders decreased, yet the number of agg assaults increased. Total crime dropped by 7%, but the agg assaults increased by 20%.

The reason the number of agg assaults increased could, for all intensive purposes, be because they were stopped before they became murders. Murder suspects are not typically charged with murder AND agg assault.

Stats are easily manipulated to say what you want.

Welcome to the forum

That's true
One of my required college Textbooks was

In firefox the related stories and comments is absent ... in IE I see wgoforth's comment and dropping down to get the others


interesting


Thanks

It won't let me "Like" I hasve no "FaceBook"

Maybe that's why.

Deja Vu
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Still, I see no comments section/option ... and it's the second time today I went there

Do you have to use something besides Firefox or what?