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by RPB
Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:08 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Sitting in a restaurant.......
Replies: 44
Views: 8653

Re: Sitting in a restaurant.......

ghostrider wrote:>And unless you are eating alone, you're going to draw fire to anyone near you: family, friends, etc.


Its good to have these discussions; Someone (above) can point out things that maybe not everyone thinks of.
Yes, very good point.

So, if any of you who want to hold your gun under a table eat in Burnet and this situation arises, please sit on the other side of the restaurant from me, so you can draw the bad guy's attention after the kids all gather around you asking about your gun, so I have plenty of time to draw and aim at the bad guy.
by RPB
Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:50 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Sitting in a restaurant.......
Replies: 44
Views: 8653

Re: Sitting in a restaurant.......

C-dub wrote:I don't know and am not trying to be sarcastic, but does anyone know of a case where there were multiple BGs and one or more did not reveal themselves once the robbery began? Do they really think that much about what they're doing? I think they may be stealthy about getting into position, but once the robbery has begun don't they always out themselves as BGs? I'm just thinking that they don't think about it this much. The guys that pull this kind of crime aren't really that smart.
I won't comment on their smartness, however in a real situation involving myself, when the gun was pointed at my head, my attention was on that guy, and I'm sure the cashiers up front were noticing their guy pointing the gun at them,... neither of us really taking notice of the other's situation and associated bad guy holding a gun, until several, several moments went by. At which time I decided it would be a really bad move to grab my Guy's cylinder on his revolver and take it from him, and they decided not to hit their guy with a cash drawer and try to run out the front door screaming like a bunch of girls.
We were in different parts of the store, with a 4' tall aisle between us we could see over, but right at first, the closest barrel catches your attention, AND TUNNEL VISION SETS IN .... hopefully if another bad guy is around, you become aware of it before you do anything stupid that attracts the attention of the bad guy. Even if only one bad guy is there, hopefully no one ELSE will draw his attention to you before you want his attention (see below) Right at FIRST, You get tunnel vision and become aware of him and yourself.

In this hypothetical resturant situation, the tunnel vision would go away quickly .... when you hear ....
"Mommy Mommy look!!! Look at the pretty red dot coming from under that table" says the 4 year old while pointing at you.
Or the other short boy hollaring to his dad and pointing that you must be a policeman because he sees your gun under the table.... or even the families with too many out of control kids, whee one runs up to your table thinking yours is a toy like his at home, and asks if he can see/play with your gun.
Never underestimate Other people giving you away, kids especially, they are extremely observant and experts at speaking when they shouldn't.

Take a moment and fully assess the situation, not only the bad guy, not only who is behind the bad guy in case of overpenetration, not only who is near the bad guy, in case yor hand shakes and you miss (it will shake) but also all over the restaurant, for kids etc who tend to open their mouths when they shouldn't, etc. etc. etc ... especially watch out for that tunnelvision..... I been there n had it.


Personally in this hypothetical situation, I'd probably have my hand resting on my gun, concealed in my holster/fannypack whatever, slightly loosened from the holster and ready to draw..... but still concealed, not under a table for kids to see who are looking under tables for free gum stuck under there or to see whose underwear is showing (that could have been me as a kid). Mommy Mommy I declare, I see someone's underwear, and that man has a gun (pointing).
by RPB
Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:02 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Sitting in a restaurant.......
Replies: 44
Views: 8653

Re: Sitting in a restaurant.......

I'll tell you exactly what I'd do ....
I'd see if the snake was coiled and had an "S" shaped neck, like it was about to strike or not. I'd look around, and also look at him very closely for my clue what to do next. I wouldn't have my weapon seen by anyone unless and until I was ready to use it .... never show your hole card. Some kid in the restaurant whose parent had him get under the table who starts pointing at a gun I had drawn under my table might get us all killed. Also, drawing my weapon escalates the situation in my own mind, and over a time causes a bit more and more hand shake, I'll save drawing my weapon until it's needed.
But read this post and the post I made below it, and you'll understand what I just said
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... 21#p340963" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... 21#p341021" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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