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anygunanywhere wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Is this a good example of Darwin at work?

Bandits steal suspected ebola blood samples.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/bandits-guine ... 00372.html

Or an example of terrorists getting weaponry for an upcoming attack.

You raise a good point, but the article described the area of the theft as a road frequented by bandits and thugs. Sounds like vermin to me.

anygunanywhere wrote:Is this a good example of Darwin at work?

Bandits steal suspected ebola blood samples.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/bandits-guine ... 00372.html

philip964 wrote:http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/ny ... &referrer=

Doctor in New York City tests positive for Ebola.

Went bowling yesterday.

According to a website I can't vouch for, Ebola patients are disappearing from hospitals. They come in with Ebola symptoms, but arnt there the next day when hospital staff ask about a patient who came in the night before. Seems far fetched that the CDC could keep this under wraps.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Dallas lab worker quarantined aboard cruise ship, other passengers stranded aboard. Belize refused to allow any passengers to disembark.

Good luck getting a refund. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Remember this when you vote in November.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/1 ... -stranded/

Stranded on a cruise ship -- Oh, the Horrors! Hope they don't run out of caviar!

Are you kidding me? That's an Ebola breeding ground!

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/aboard- ... uise-ship/

anygunanywhere wrote:Dallas lab worker quarantined aboard cruise ship, other passengers stranded aboard. Belize refused to allow any passengers to disembark.

Good luck getting a refund. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Remember this when you vote in November.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/1 ... -stranded/

mamabearCali wrote:Well it is confirmed kill. Everyone from the hospital to the CDC messed up in such and egregious fashion that an easily contained problem now could be a nationwide major issue. How many will die for their incompetence?

I'd say fire the lot of them, their stupidity deserves that at minimum. But then what.....we need someone at the top and in the all the positions beneath that is competent and knows what they are doing. Sadly I doubt we would get that.....likely we would just get another community organizer.

mamabearCali wrote:It really burns me up that they did not give the nurses the proper equipment to care for their patient. That is 100% unacceptable. There is no reason whatsoever for them to be working with inadequate equipment.

CDC.....why do we have an agency like you that I pay taxes for if not for these situation to get the proper equipment in! Get your crayolas together and get to it! You had to know this ws going to happen. Get the proper equipment to the proper people like yesterday!

KD5NRH wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

Just what is the point of repeatedly hauling these people all over the country, opening up new locations to potential contamination? AFAIK, there's no large, immovable piece of equipment other than an isolation ward that is useful in treating Ebola, so why can't whatever they need be brought to them?

If the plane crashes, how long will it be before first responders know that one of the mangled bodies they just bagged up was Ebola positive? If more mistakes are made in PPE protocols, why not limit them to the people and places that have already been at risk?

I could see taking them directly to one of the level IV wards as soon as the diagnosis is confirmed, but other than that, there's no good reason to contaminate planes and other equipment when everything needed can be loaded up and hauled around much more easily and safely than an infectious patient.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:They're going to move the first HC worker to Maryland, today.

By airplane?

rotor wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:If you quarantine people in common areas, what's to keep someone who's clean, but quarantined, from picking up the disease from an infected person in quarantine? If someone came to me and told me that I may have been exposed, so they were going to put me in with a bunch of other people that had also been exposed, I would NOT be a happy camper.

Quarantine does not mean you will be put in a common area with other people. But it does mean that by force if needed you can be detained and held confined for let's say the 21 day period needed to be sure you are not infected. It may be necessary to quarantine exposed people and not just this stupid self monitoring. The government will have to work very fast on this. Illness like this spreads in a geometric progression and because the incubation period is so long before symptoms show it can easily come to the point where government agencies are completely overwhelmed. Right now it appears they just don't know what they are doing. It's one thing to not scare the American public but I believe they should be scared.

KD5NRH wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:If you quarantine people in common areas, what's to keep someone who's clean, but quarantined, from picking up the disease from an infected person in quarantine? If someone came to me and told me that I may have been exposed, so they were going to put me in with a bunch of other people that had also been exposed, I would NOT be a happy camper.

This, and quarantining people away from their homes (and the contents thereof) is more likely to result in serious civil unrest. Better to find a reasonable way to enforce "don't leave your yard" and prevent visitors. (Honestly, under the circumstances, if someone was willing to take care of my bills and other out-of-the-house chores and deliver food and other supplies, I'd sit out a three week quarantine as long as I'm allowed to use my yard too. Then again, I know I can sit and read for a solid week, which not everybody can do as easily.)

Scotty wrote:It'll give me a chance to catch up on my technical journals!