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E.Marquez wrote:

EEllis wrote:

E.Marquez wrote: In response to your follow up question... No law I know of forbides photocopying a state issued DL or ID card.. TX has a law on swiping the Mag strip.. but not copying, far as i can tell

I know there is a law but I'm not sure what is approved because I know bars can swipe TDL's for age verification the State is ok with that.

As I stated above,,, yes, there is a regulation on use of the data encoded to the DL mag strip.. That was not the question being discussed.. it was photocopying.
but since you asked
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/op ... jc0337.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Texas Attorney General had this to say "Magnetic stripe information contained on a driver's license or identification card issued by the Department of Public Safety may be utilized only by law enforcement and other governmental agency personnel acting in their official capacities."

RX8er wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

RX8er wrote:

JP171 wrote:

azwe wrote:Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Lately I have been refusing to let the hospital and doctors' offices to make those copies, and they have been pretty compliant. I do point out that they have made copies of the same in the past therefore they do not need new ones. My local hospital "lost" my DL and insurance card a few years back when the copy machine broke down and they took them to a different copy machine and left them there, and I was called in for treatment before they came back. I raised a stink, and even called the police while a hospital administrator offered to write me a note that I could carry in lieu of my DL, and the cop that responded told her that they wouldn't accept the note and I would be arrested for driving without a license. I then insisted that they tear down the hospital brick by brick to find my documents, and the cop just grinned and shrugged.

They can scan my insurance card all they want, but I do not knowingly let them copy my license any more.

When I was being admitted for knee replacement surgery a couple of years ago, the desk person (different hospital from above) asked to "see" my ID and insurance card. I laid both of them on the counter and she immediately started to pick them up. I slammed my hand on top of them and asked her what she thought she was doing, and she stated she was going to make copies. I pointed out that she only had asked to "see" them, not pick them up or copy them and that those documents were my personal property and not to be removed from my possession or sight. After an administrator came out and, eventually, politely asked if they could copy them for security reasons the young lady then started to leave the room with them. She never did make the copies because I would not allow them to take them into the next room where the copier was.

You can refuse.

I am always looking for more reasons to be obstinate and safe. In this day and age with ID theft so bad, any extra measure is a good measuer. I've always just looked at it like they can get it on the internet within a few mouse clicks if they need too and a copy of a drivers license is just about as good as writing all the info down on a piece of paper. I was hoping that there was a law that cleared things up. My regular doctor doesn't make a copy but if I go to the ER, they always do.

So, for instance, someone in our visualization who was killed at age 23 by someone using a gun could possibly be killed at age 24 by a knife. It’s all statistics.

G26ster wrote:

RX8er wrote:

AEA wrote:Umm.....Picture on Photocopy of DL & CHL?

That's okay, they have better ones attached to your receipt and transaction number they got from all the CCTV.

Or the one the whole world has from your Facebook page

G26ster wrote:

Bitterclinger wrote:I wrote one of the guys that works there and he said the form was a federal requirement. Which sucks, because it basically means that every gun I buy is "registered".

He stated that the DL/CHL was story policy. I had asked about their document retention policy and disposition schedule and he responded that they will both documents for the life of their license.

As a document-management specialist, I think that is a REALLY STUPID policy. You want to dispose of sensitive documents as soon as you legally can. In the discovery phase, what you don't have can't hurt you.

Part of me feels like an idiot for giving up my ID so quick, but things were moving pretty quick and it wasn't like she said asked me or even informed me that she was going to make a copy. I just sort of noticed it there when she was wraping up with the "federally required" NICS form.

Truth be told, I'd probably have gone along with it and felt much better If I'd been asked. But I would have asked them to tell me how they secure there documents.

I don't quite understand the problem.

1. It is federal law that a 4473 form be filled out by the purchaser when buying a firearm from a FFL. Were you not aware of this?
2. There is no information on your D/L or CHL that isn't already required to be placed on the 4473. You put in your height, weight, birth date, address, etc. on the 4473, and the FFL must record your D/L # and CHL number on his part of the form.
3. The FFL must keep the 4473 on file for 20 years, unless they go out of business sooner, and at the end of the time period they are turned in to the BATFE.

So, can you tel me what information they got that they weren't required to have by federal law?

(e) Records of dealers and collectors under the Act. The records prepared by licensed dealers and licensed collectors under the Act of the sale or other disposition of firearms and the corresponding record of receipt of such firearms shall be retained through December 15, 1988, after which records of transactions over 20 years of age may be discarded.