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by sjfcontrol
Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:05 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: New CHL requirements???
Replies: 102
Views: 12334

Re: New CHL requirements???

Otto N. Sure wrote:Yep, anything is possible. I, personally, have NEVER heard of anyone ever federally charged with this offense. If you're stopped for a speeding or other infraction in a school zone I highly doubt that the city police officer would then call the feds to charge you with breaking this silly law.

Also, how would the officer even know I am carrying since we are NOT required to disclose this by Texas statute.

Otto
Also, it is usually a "add-on" charge, after you've been stopped for something else. Like maybe talking on a cell phone or some other heinous deed.
by sjfcontrol
Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:09 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: New CHL requirements???
Replies: 102
Views: 12334

Re: New CHL requirements???

Otto N. Sure wrote:Back to the topic about Utah's non resident CHL. Back in the late 90's I went through the hoops and got my Texas CHL. When I moved to Nevada I got my Nevada permit and a Utah non resident permit because it was our next door neighbor and I went there frequently. At that time, Utah did not recognize the Nevada permit.

Now I'm back in Texas. I'm a resident, but my family and home are still in Nevada (until we get the darn house sold..14 months and counting). I drive on my Nevada DL and I have my Nevada CHL for carry purposes as I really don't have a permanent Texas residence.

When we finally get the house sold and buy our home here I will change the address on my Utah CHL and NOT obtain a Texas permit. Why? Because I've passed two states permit classes, attended renewal classes, and I'm done! Since Texas recognizes my Utah permit (not to mention my Nevada permit) I see no reason at all to go through the hoops, pay the exhorbitant fees, wait for months, to exercise a "right" that I already have, as granted by the great states of Utah and Nevada AND recognized by the Lone Star state.

No I am not "gaming" the system. I am following it.

Otto
It is my understanding that if you're carrying on a non-texas permit, you are not exempt from the federal "gun-free" school-zone ban. You could possibly be charged for carrying as you drive by a school.
by sjfcontrol
Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:10 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: New CHL requirements???
Replies: 102
Views: 12334

Re: New CHL requirements???

marksiwel wrote:
srothstein wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:Nonsense -- the right to travel (if there is such a right) is in no way violated by drivers licenses. There are all sorts of ways to travel that do not require licenses. (Air, bus, skateboard, bicycle, walking...)
By the very same logic, the right to self-defense (if there is such a right) is in no way violated by a CHL requirement. There would still be a lot of ways to defend yourself without the pistol. You could use your fists, a stick, a rock, etc.

Be very careful when declaring anything a privilege instead of a right, and always remember the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. They ar enot used vry much, but I see them becoming much more important to our daily lives in the very near future.
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER
Well, not quite.
I will back off my claim that driving is a privilege, right to travel statement. Perhaps I can blame public education that stressed that during drivers-ed, back when cars were "foot" powered.

However, I don't believe the same claim (that it's a privilege) can be made about the right to carry (for whatever reason) as that definitely is covered by the second amendment. And SCOTUS has determined there is a right to self-defense -- though not mentioned in the Constitution.
by sjfcontrol
Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:25 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: New CHL requirements???
Replies: 102
Views: 12334

Re: New CHL requirements???

marksiwel wrote: Just like driving a car. The right to travel was not written down, but its very real and Drivers License and Passports infringe on this right. The founding fathers didnt write down every little thing, but sometimes I wish they had (oh if I had a time machine, I say to myself daily)
Nonsense -- the right to travel (if there is such a right) is in no way violated by drivers licenses. There are all sorts of ways to travel that do not require licenses. (Air, bus, skateboard, bicycle, walking...)

Driving is a privilege, not a right.
by sjfcontrol
Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:36 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: New CHL requirements???
Replies: 102
Views: 12334

Re: New CHL requirements???

srothstein wrote:
joe817 wrote:A side question: are there any states that do NOT require a driving test in order to get a driver's license from that state?
Texas doesn't if you pass a defensive driver's course (and since the last session if you are over 18). Written test is all that is required then.
You also don't need a driving test (behind-the-wheel) if you're coming from another state and have a (valid?) DL from that state.

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