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by VoiceofReason
Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:07 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Knocking on the door can be dangerous in N. Houston
Replies: 36
Views: 4676

Re: Knocking on the door can be dangerous in N. Houston

Excaliber wrote:On the basis of the very few facts presented, I do not see nearly enough information to come to any valid good shoot / bad shoot conclusion at this point.

However, I do see several things at work here that are worth noting:

1. During the first couple of minutes after being startled out of bed by excited persons pounding on the front door most folks are not at the top of their game in the area of judgment.

2. People who have not previously managed a lot of potentially dangerous situations, some of which turned out to be really dangerous and others which turned out to be something else entirely, tend to focus on the "this is it - the attack I've always feared" conclusion to the exclusion of other possibilities. Once started down this track, observations which may have multiple potential interpretations are only seen through this lens.

3. Folks who haven't done a lot of thinking situations through (like the very valuable activity that goes on in this Forum constantly) don't have a plan they can fall back on and execute. Instead they act impulsively - and often unwisely.

This combination is a recipe for tragedy.
I agree 100%. I was stating what I would do under the circumstances given in the article and I still stand by that.

I would take cover (as much as possible) call or have my wife call 911 and yell at them “I have called the police”. Even if they were kicking at the door, I would not have shot through the door until it started to come open.

Other people would have reacted differently. I cannot say when someone else would believe they were in imminent danger. We have only the information given by the media but one of the best things about this forum is the discussion of scenarios such as this, so that if any of us are faced with a shoot / don’t shoot situation, hopefully we will make the best decision. :tiphat:

Note: If I did have to shoot, I am afraid that with my 12Ga. and 3”mag 000 buck, neither one would have survived.
by VoiceofReason
Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:54 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Knocking on the door can be dangerous in N. Houston
Replies: 36
Views: 4676

Re: Knocking on the door can be dangerous in N. Houston

baldeagle wrote:
VoiceofReason wrote:He should not have fired through the door. He should have called 911, yelled at them that he had called the police and taken cover behind a couch, another doorway, or whatever and waited. If they tried to force the door, as soon as it started to come open, unload on them.

No excuse for firing through a door that is closed and locked. He killed a man that was not an immediate threat to him.

Bad situation.
I'm just curious. How do you know that the door was closed and locked? How do you know the man wasn't an immediate threat? I didn't see anything in the article that indicated either of those two facts.

ISTM we are far too quick to judge without knowing all the facts. We make assumptions based upon our own biases of how we would handle a similar situation without knowing the details that could well change our minds.
I don’t know the door was closed and locked. You are right I was stating what I would do in a similar situation.

The article stated he fired through the door. Logic indicates there must have been a door between him and his intended targets and he did not see who he was shooting at (“the homeowner did not know what was happening and fired a gun through the door”). The article did not say the door was forced open, kicked open, or opened in any manner.

If the door was still closed (whether locked or not) and they were not shooting at him, they were not an immediate threat.

Of course no one can know exactly what happened unless they were standing behind and slightly to one side of the homeowner when it happened, but my point is that no one should shoot through a door without seeing who is on the other side and having a good idea of what their intentions are.

I don’t know about you but even if I wasn’t charged for a shooting such as this, it would eat at me for a long time that I killed someone looking for help.
by VoiceofReason
Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:17 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Knocking on the door can be dangerous in N. Houston
Replies: 36
Views: 4676

Re: Knocking on the door can be dangerous in N. Houston

He should not have fired through the door. He should have called 911, yelled at them that he had called the police and taken cover behind a couch, another doorway, or whatever and waited. If they tried to force the door, as soon as it started to come open, unload on them.

No excuse for firing through a door that is closed and locked. He killed a man that was not an immediate threat to him.

Bad situation.

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