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G26ster wrote:New York was used only as an example. My point is that I know vociferous pro 2A liberals right here in Texas that voted for known anti 2A liberals, and are now surprised and upset that they are coming after their guns because they were sure they would not. During the last campaign, they said over and over that the POTUS had done nothing to infringe on their 2A rights, regardless of his statements to the contrary during his political career. They pointed that out over and over. But, when the right time came, and the public was shocked, and the winds were blowing his way, he came after them. If you don't know anyone like this in your area, fine, but I don't think that's the norm. Just MHO.

G26ster wrote:

RiverCity.45 wrote:

K.Mooneyham wrote:Alright, well let me ask some questions. Do these pro-2A progressives believe that I should be able to own an AR-15 and as many 30 round magazines as I want to without registering it, etc?
And do they believe that I should be able to sell it to whom I see fit to sell it to without jumping through paperwork hoops and paying money to the Federal government and to an FFL to complete said transaction? And do they further believe that I shouldn't be vilified and called every filthy name in the book because some person with mental issues, or some criminal, commits a crime with a similar weapon? I ask these questions because I do indeed have trouble believing that the answers would be affirmative without qualifying all of said answers with some sort of rhetoric. My personal opinion, of course.

Sure. At least, a lot of them that hang out at a particular liberal gun forum. I had to laugh recently when one person complained that he could no longer tell the difference between the posts at the liberal and the conservative forums, at least in terms of gun control. That particular forum allows for a wide range of opinions. Some are OK with registration, AWB, high-cap mag bans. Others oppose it vociferously. There are also democratic lawmakers who have decent ratings by NRA, and it's not hard to find one that supports 2A if you look hard, particularly in the southern and mid-western states.
I know that's outside the stereotype, and when we spend all of our time within an echo chamber, it becomes hard to believe there are other voices because we become so used to hearing only one.
See for yourself:
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Just a small sample. One recent reply from a liberal was how glad he was that the House was controlled by Republicans right now, since that would mean likely failure of any attempts to impose significant gun restrictions.

Help me out here. How does a vociferous pro 2A liberal justify their complaints, say in NY State, when they put in power the very people that stripped their 2A rights away? How do they justify, in the current climate, the federal representatives they put in place coming after their 2A rights with a vengeance? Not trying to argue or stir the pot, I seriously would like to know what they have to say on those specific questions. Are they saying they regret voting for liberals, and will not do so in the future?

VMI77 wrote:

RiverCity.45 wrote:

cheezit wrote:leaning nither left or right and being from cali. i can assure you there are plenty of libs that are pro 2a.

It's very comforting to lump all "liberals" into the anti-gun group, but that is just a convenient shorthand fantasy that has no basis in fact. There are anti-gun liberals and there are pro-2A liberals. There is an entire forum devoted to those 2A supporting progressives. I know, I know. Some people's heads will explode just trying to grasp that reality. LOL!

Seriously, though. Just as all conservatives are not the same (e.g., recent Support by some Republicans for gun control), there are some liberals who staunchly support the 2nd A.

There are always exceptions. The point is that the vast majority of liberals are anti gun and anti self-defense, and a minority of "conservatives" are anti-gun and anti self-defense. It matters very little to me if 10 out of every 100 liberals are pro-gun, because they are beholden to a party that is anti-gun, and their pro gun beliefs are largely irrelevant. I also don't care that 10 out of very 100 "conservatives" are anti-gun, because they also are largely irrelevant. It's like saying some dogs can walk on two legs.The minorities in both parties have no power to influence the politics of the 2nd Amendment as long as they continue to support their respective parties in spite of their behavior on gun control.

K.Mooneyham wrote:Alright, well let me ask some questions. Do these pro-2A progressives believe that I should be able to own an AR-15 and as many 30 round magazines as I want to without registering it, etc?
And do they believe that I should be able to sell it to whom I see fit to sell it to without jumping through paperwork hoops and paying money to the Federal government and to an FFL to complete said transaction? And do they further believe that I shouldn't be vilified and called every filthy name in the book because some person with mental issues, or some criminal, commits a crime with a similar weapon? I ask these questions because I do indeed have trouble believing that the answers would be affirmative without qualifying all of said answers with some sort of rhetoric. My personal opinion, of course.

77346 wrote:and at this time, all pro-gun rights/supporters of the 2A should unite regardless of political affiliation and ideology...

cheezit wrote:leaning nither left or right and being from cali. i can assure you there are plenty of libs that are pro 2a.