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joe817 wrote:"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case.You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish, than to live as slaves." - Winston Churchill

Excellent statement indeed Carl.

Kythas, you bring much to the table tonight. Much to think about...to ponder about. It's been a long time since I reflected upon these issues, and I did....

Viet Nam War (yes it WAS a war...NOT a police action)
Kent State Massacre
Chicago Democratic Convention Riots of 1968
The Chicago 7 trial
Is GOD dead?
free love

It was these things which made me ponder that the Republic was dying. Was it? Dying was too strong a term. Atrophying was more appropriate. A whithering away.

The cause? Obviously, the moral decay. I cannot say that liberalism(which was in vogue at the time), was the cause. And I cannot say that liberalism is synonymous to 'moral decay'........but in my opinion, it approaches it.

I hate the term "politically correct", as(to me) it implies an effort to appease others, for some reason I've yet to determine.
I grew up in an age where being "politically correct" was "calling a spade a spade".

But what does leave an impregnable vision in my minds eye is that they are related. That, I cannot escape.

I am a Texan and an American....by birth. How strange I feel. God Bless Texas and the U.S.A.

Oldgringo wrote:Other than possible constitutional questions and the obvious nefarious political chicanery (practiced by both parties), why do y'all have your bowels in an uproar? The folk who passed this bill don't know what's in it so why don't we wait until we have it unfolded and understood by all before we take to the streets?

While we're waiting, ask your parents, aunts, uncles and grandparents how Social Security and Medicare is working out for them. No, I did not vote for Obama. I've voted for every Republican POTUS candidate starting with and since Goldwater.

lkd wrote:Perry & Abbott strike back! Go Texas!!!

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nitrogen wrote:David Frum puts it into perspective.

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.