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anygunanywhere wrote:
Abraham wrote:Does anyone know why many employers are so anti-gun in personal vehicles?

Certainly, I can speculate, but I've not read any concrete reasoning...

Anyone know?

Thanks!
It is not about safety. It is about CONTROL. Employers, especially HR are all about CONTROL.

Anygunanywhere

It is largely about control, but I'm not sure it is the HR folks that have that problem. They are just the keepers of and implement the policies. I don't think they are usually the policy makers. Although, they do get a bit of a high from implementing them.

I think it is the higher ups like the Board of Directors or CEO's and whatnot. There is also the $$$ concern regarding liability. I thought we had put the issue of insurance companies requiring a premises be gun-free to bed, but it might have more to do with the bean counters and the fear, however irrational, or threat of a liability law suit if a shooting did occur on company property.

Because there has been no court ruling against a company for not allowing someone to carry that could have defended themselves from an attack on company property they don't even see that possibility as a liability.

C-dub

JJVP wrote:
C-dub wrote:They also forbid anyone from keeping their gun in their car in parking lots that don't belong to them and in our personal vehicles on any company related business.
I'm confused about the first part of that sentence "They also forbid anyone from keeping their gun in their car in parking lots that don't belong to them".

Are they saying that you can't keep a gun in your personal car even if you park in someone else's parking lot?

Yes. They consider coming to and from work company business, although we are not paid for the mileage or time.

They also consider the property to be fenced and we do have security personnel onsite 24/7. However, the property is not entirely fenced. Most of the entrances have controlled entry, but no security personnel. Only an ID badge with RFID is needed to gain entry into the employee parking lot in a car, truck, or van. Parking in parking lots across the street is forbidden. If discovered you will be required to move you vehicle into the company lot or face possible termination. Anyone can enter the visitor lot and then walk anywhere in that or the employee parking lot. Anyone can walk or ride a bicycle or motorcycle onto the property without an ID.

Security personnel are not to stop anyone. They are only there as a deterrence and are supposed to call the police if needed. I'm not positive, but there might also be more handicapped security personnel that walk with a cane than we have handicapped employees. Nothing wrong with that, I just note it as an example of their capability. The security people are contracted and not actual employees of our company and are also forbidden to carry a gun.

All this sounds bad and it might be compared to most, but otherwise I have a GREAT job and you all know what the economy is like.

C-dub

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Send the name and contact information of your employer, along with their personnel policy, to Senator Hegar's office. Then wait until 2013 and see if we can put some very big teeth in the bill.

Chas.

C-dub wrote:Chris & XinTX, except for the 30.06 signs, my company and yours could be the same. I informed them of the new law two months before it became effective and inquired I could also be given permission to carry inside the building. Our employee handbook allows for such permission, but I don't know of anyone that has been granted that permission. I was told that they know the law and they are not going to change the policy and will not allow guns on the premises or property at all. They also forbid anyone from keeping their gun in their car in parking lots that don't belong to them and in our personal vehicles on any company related business.

We employ over 1,000 people and have multiple locations in North Texas. If one drives from one location to another in their personal vehicle they are forbidden to keep their gun in their vehicle. We were also required to sign a statement to the effect that we give them permission to search our vehicles whenever they want and if we refuse we may be terminated. This form is a condition of employment, but was not in effect when I was hired. It was implemented a few years latter and I was told I could either sign it or start looking for another job.

I have sent this information and a copy of the section from our employee handbook to the NRA person asking for this information.

Charles, I wish my company were one of those that just misunderstood or were unaware of the law, but I know they are aware of it and can only hope that they have been given bad advice from their corporate lawyer. However, based on the responses I have received I have my doubts and think they will have to be forced to comply. Just like any city that posts 30.06 on city property that is not otherwise prohibited, they are willing to take the risk that no one is going to challenge them except that they have one ace up their sleeve. They can fire me and a city can't fire a resident.

I will wait because I really like my job and I trust that when you say a remedy is in the works that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks,
C-dub

Thanks Charles. I will get in contact with his office.

C-dub

Chris & XinTX, except for the 30.06 signs, my company and yours could be the same. I informed them of the new law two months before it became effective and inquired I could also be given permission to carry inside the building. Our employee handbook allows for such permission, but I don't know of anyone that has been granted that permission. I was told that they know the law and they are not going to change the policy and will not allow guns on the premises or property at all. They also forbid anyone from keeping their gun in their car in parking lots that don't belong to them and in our personal vehicles on any company related business.

We employ over 1,000 people and have multiple locations in North Texas. If one drives from one location to another in their personal vehicle they are forbidden to keep their gun in their vehicle. We were also required to sign a statement to the effect that we give them permission to search our vehicles whenever they want and if we refuse we may be terminated. This form is a condition of employment, but was not in effect when I was hired. It was implemented a few years latter and I was told I could either sign it or start looking for another job.

I have sent this information and a copy of the section from our employee handbook to the NRA person asking for this information.

Charles, I wish my company were one of those that just misunderstood or were unaware of the law, but I know they are aware of it and can only hope that they have been given bad advice from their corporate lawyer. However, based on the responses I have received I have my doubts and think they will have to be forced to comply. Just like any city that posts 30.06 on city property that is not otherwise prohibited, they are willing to take the risk that no one is going to challenge them except that they have one ace up their sleeve. They can fire me and a city can't fire a resident.

I will wait because I really like my job and I trust that when you say a remedy is in the works that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks,
C-dub

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