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Huh. So, would anyone be willing to ask the manager or owner this question? I would, but we're not going to the fair this year. Maybe an e-mail, though.

ScottDLS wrote:

C-dub wrote:True enough Scott, but I double dog dare you to try that when there is a game going on! Just teasing. Unless a game is going on, most other times it is closed, so what's the big deal? I believe the game situation would override the city property exemption.

I agree CB is off limits per 46.035 when there is a game going on. I was quite purposely making the point specifically about TXPC 30.06 which is never effective on property owned by a government entity (unless there's an official government meeting going on there). There are numerous events at stadiums that are not school or professional sporting events.

The ownerhsip of the property and improvements of the Old Mill has not been clearly established in the posts that I have seen so far, nor is it clear whether it is posted IAW 30.06. It's a stretch to construe a Dallas Police Officer at the gate of the fair has "authority or apparent authority" to act for a private company (if they do, in fact, own the property).

Yup.

True enough Scott, but I double dog dare you to try that when there is a game going on! Just teasing. Unless a game is going on, most other times it is closed, so what's the big deal? I believe the game situation would override the city property exemption.

rexinthecity wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Chevy display.
All in all, I have to say that they handled it well and were courteous. It goes without saying that it would have been better to be able to just walk on through, but in as much as they were wanding everybody, and presumably for legitimate reasons, they actually seemed like they were as interested in keeping things on the low down as we were and were respectful of our confidentiality. I think that they must have gotten enough flack after last year's fiasco to understand that they don't need to treat us like criminals.

I have no complaints about how it went.

...now the fried beer on the other hand was a huge let-down. I'm just sayin'....

What happened last year?

Last year we had personal information being collected by private park security, non-LE personnel. When I went the park person tried to do this, but I argued my case to the police officer that this amounted to a form of registration and also that this information is protected by the state and only available to a LE agency. The park person then tried to get the officer to get the information and, while the officer didn't really want to do that, I also pointed out that without a legitimate reason, that too could be construed as a form of registration. So, other than the short delay, my experience went well since there was no information collected and no on e was shouting about there being someone with a gun. I think I was lucky because of the officer at my gate when I arrived. She didn't want to start collecting information.

As a result of the attempt I contacted each member of the Dallas City Council about this and the few that responded were quite misinformed about where a CHL could and could not carry. One or two of those tried to pass the buck by saying that it was a private security company and they could set their own policies. I don't know if I had any affect or not, but it does sound much better this year.

BTW, I will probably not be going this year for no other reason than we have too much other stuff going on and just don't have the time.

Hoi Polloi wrote:I think some letters are in order commending them for the changes.
-They are not having their security handle it, but are referring all CHLs to commissioned police officers.
-They are not placing any burdens on CHL holders other than showing their CHLs to a commissioned officer.
-They have clearly pushed discretion, courtesy, and promptness in their training.
-They are not trying to document anything about the CHL holders.

I'd say some huge accolades are in order for their progress!