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- Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:55 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Repeal the 30.06 law
- Replies: 136
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Re: Repeal the 30.06 law
If reducing or repealing 30.06 isn't a priority this upcoming session it is nice to see that getting rid of more prohibited places is on there. Another top priority should be lowering the cost of a CHL. There is no reason it should cost so much. Other states can do it for over half the price. I guess the state isn't ready for Constitutional carry yet is it?
- Mon May 26, 2014 1:35 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Repeal the 30.06 law
- Replies: 136
- Views: 30744
Re: Repeal the 30.06 law
Oldgringo posted a good example. Keep the wording just get rid of the force of law part. If someone is found carrying they are asked to leave. If they don't then they can get a citation. It is that simple. As I said it is not the end of the world if the sign doesn't carry the weight of law. If you don't want someone to carry you ask them to leave. This is the best solution where each party's rights are respected.
- Sun May 25, 2014 10:49 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Repeal the 30.06 law
- Replies: 136
- Views: 30744
Re: Repeal the 30.06 law
What reason would you kill any attempt to repeal it? Or are there certain things about 30.06 that those organisations would repeal?Charles L. Cotton wrote:Suzanna Gratia didn't pass concealed carry by any stretch of the imagination. No one told those of us who did pass concealed-carry that it would never happen. In fact, in 1985 I was told it would take 10 years to pass it and this very knowledgeable person was exactly right.BenGoodLuck wrote:Oh yeah! Well, I feel like this:mojo84 wrote:
I'm sure lots of people told Suzanna Gratia Hupp that she was beating a dead horse for trying to get concealed carry passed in the first place.
You seem to be missing a point. I'm not saying TSRA and NRA won't try to repeal 30.06 because it's impossible. I'm telling you we will be the ones killing any attempt to repeal it.
Chas.
- Sat May 24, 2014 9:51 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Repeal the 30.06 law
- Replies: 136
- Views: 30744
Re: Repeal the 30.06 law
jbarn wrote:remington79 wrote:The 30.06 law needs to be repealed and signs should NOT have the force of law. The argument goes both ways first about property rights and then you have the other side where you have an inherit right to self defense. I can see both sides of the issue.
Right now I live in Idaho and will be moving back to East Texas this summer. I have had my CHL before when I was living there so I'm aware of the laws and requirements. I also go to this forum often because of A: the maturity that is found here and B: to keep current on events. In Idaho you can carry everywhere including professional sporting events and in bars. Signs do NOT have the force of law. There is also no requirements about signs but since they don't carry the force of law is doesn't matter. There have been no problems here with violence or other issues. There was a shooting downtown a few years back and both parties were in the bar. However, all the fighting took place outside away from the bar and the person who did fire had to go to his vehicle to retrieve his pistol. In this case being allowed to carry in a bar was not an issue. He was found not guilty by jury and it was found to be a self defense case. Personally I think designated drivers should be allowed to carry.
As I said signs don't have the force of law here. Both times my wife gave birth I carried right past the sign at the hospital. The first few times I didn't' even see the sign since it was at waist height and and was on a clear background on a glass window. Now one can make the argument about property rights verse the right to protect one's life. Here if the owner of where the sign is posted asks you to leave then you leave. If you don't you can get charged with CIVIL trespass not criminal. This is important to note because in Texas it would be criminal and you would have your right to self defense stripped away. Here you can carry past the sign without legal trouble and you also don't have to worry about not seeing a sign. There is only an issue if you are seen carrying and you don't leave when asked. There has never been an issue here and it's a win win for both parties.
As I have gotten older I keep taking a stronger stance on things. In my 20's I didn't think twice about the signs. Now that I'm in my 30's I have a problem with them. If you are really concerned about property rights stop worrying about 30.06 signs and work on getting imminent domain reined in and repeal property taxes. Right now if you don't pay property taxes you get your land seized, you're paying rent to the government.
One can only have a right to self defense if one can carry a gun?
You prefer a state income tax?
A firearm certainly helps. After working in a county jail I don't have much faith in OC. Too many times I have seen it take away to take affect, especially on people who are under the influence or are all not there. One time the only reason the OC worked was because the guy stripped down naked and ended up rolling in the OC and getting it on his privates. He was sober but wasn't all there.
I didn't say I prefer an income tax I'm just pointing out that if one is all for property rights then you need to go all the way. As I said a property owner can still ask someone to leave if they are spotted carrying and if they don't then they can get in trouble. There is no reason to make someone an immediate criminal. Right now I live somewhere that signs don't have the weight of law and you don't hear anyone complaining about there property rights being violated. Get rid of the signs having the weight of law and stop giving the government another excuse to make someone a criminal.
added: In this day and age there are more and more cases of multiple attackers being involved so a firearm is the best option for self defense. People need to open there eyes and see that there is life without 30.06 and signs carrying the force of law. I promise the world doesn't end when signs don't carry the weight of law. The only affect is you can better protect yourself in more places and its one more aspect where you don't have the government intruding in your life.
- Sat May 24, 2014 4:41 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Repeal the 30.06 law
- Replies: 136
- Views: 30744
Re: Repeal the 30.06 law
The 30.06 law needs to be repealed and signs should NOT have the force of law. The argument goes both ways first about property rights and then you have the other side where you have an inherit right to self defense. I can see both sides of the issue.
Right now I live in Idaho and will be moving back to East Texas this summer. I have had my CHL before when I was living there so I'm aware of the laws and requirements. I also go to this forum often because of A: the maturity that is found here and B: to keep current on events. In Idaho you can carry everywhere including professional sporting events and in bars. Signs do NOT have the force of law. There is also no requirements about signs but since they don't carry the force of law is doesn't matter. There have been no problems here with violence or other issues. There was a shooting downtown a few years back and both parties were in the bar. However, all the fighting took place outside away from the bar and the person who did fire had to go to his vehicle to retrieve his pistol. In this case being allowed to carry in a bar was not an issue. He was found not guilty by jury and it was found to be a self defense case. Personally I think designated drivers should be allowed to carry.
As I said signs don't have the force of law here. Both times my wife gave birth I carried right past the sign at the hospital. The first few times I didn't' even see the sign since it was at waist height and and was on a clear background on a glass window. Now one can make the argument about property rights verse the right to protect one's life. Here if the owner of where the sign is posted asks you to leave then you leave. If you don't you can get charged with CIVIL trespass not criminal. This is important to note because in Texas it would be criminal and you would have your right to self defense stripped away. Here you can carry past the sign without legal trouble and you also don't have to worry about not seeing a sign. There is only an issue if you are seen carrying and you don't leave when asked. There has never been an issue here and it's a win win for both parties.
As I have gotten older I keep taking a stronger stance on things. In my 20's I didn't think twice about the signs. Now that I'm in my 30's I have a problem with them. If you are really concerned about property rights stop worrying about 30.06 signs and work on getting imminent domain reined in and repeal property taxes. Right now if you don't pay property taxes you get your land seized, you're paying rent to the government.
Right now I live in Idaho and will be moving back to East Texas this summer. I have had my CHL before when I was living there so I'm aware of the laws and requirements. I also go to this forum often because of A: the maturity that is found here and B: to keep current on events. In Idaho you can carry everywhere including professional sporting events and in bars. Signs do NOT have the force of law. There is also no requirements about signs but since they don't carry the force of law is doesn't matter. There have been no problems here with violence or other issues. There was a shooting downtown a few years back and both parties were in the bar. However, all the fighting took place outside away from the bar and the person who did fire had to go to his vehicle to retrieve his pistol. In this case being allowed to carry in a bar was not an issue. He was found not guilty by jury and it was found to be a self defense case. Personally I think designated drivers should be allowed to carry.
As I said signs don't have the force of law here. Both times my wife gave birth I carried right past the sign at the hospital. The first few times I didn't' even see the sign since it was at waist height and and was on a clear background on a glass window. Now one can make the argument about property rights verse the right to protect one's life. Here if the owner of where the sign is posted asks you to leave then you leave. If you don't you can get charged with CIVIL trespass not criminal. This is important to note because in Texas it would be criminal and you would have your right to self defense stripped away. Here you can carry past the sign without legal trouble and you also don't have to worry about not seeing a sign. There is only an issue if you are seen carrying and you don't leave when asked. There has never been an issue here and it's a win win for both parties.
As I have gotten older I keep taking a stronger stance on things. In my 20's I didn't think twice about the signs. Now that I'm in my 30's I have a problem with them. If you are really concerned about property rights stop worrying about 30.06 signs and work on getting imminent domain reined in and repeal property taxes. Right now if you don't pay property taxes you get your land seized, you're paying rent to the government.