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by suthdj
Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:12 pm
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Topic: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian
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Re: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
suthdj wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.
The point is a Muslim country is killing someone solely because he is a Christian. So much for the argument that Americans and other Christians are murdered solely by "extremists perverting Islam."

I'm not going to get into a discussion of religion, but the Bible teaches to obey the laws of the land, so long as they do not violate the laws of God.

Chas.
I never said it was right. But we have to respect the laws of a host nation just as we expect visitors to respect ours. He went there and did what he did knowing what could happen and is going to pay the ultimate price, his life. I have to think he did this full well knowing what could happen.
You're missing my point. Many claim that Islam is a peaceful religion that doesn't condone murder. This event (and countless others in other Muslim countries where people are murdered simply because they are Christians) proves that is not true and that the claim is designed to give Americans a false sense of security. America supports Israel therefore Americans are infidels who need to be destroyed. America is a Christian country, in spite of what many will argue, so we are infidels who need to be destroyed. American citizens are being recruited to conduct terrorist attacks right here at home. Major Nadal Hasan murdered 13 people and wounded 29 more at Fort Hood. He was an American, not a foreigner, who wanted to kill the infidel. Richard Reid is an American recruited to blow up an American airliner loaded with infidels with a shoe bomb. The list goes on and it's going to get larger.

Where is the outcry from the Muslim world? Why isn't Aljazeera screaming about this atrocity? I just ran a search for "Youcef Nadarkhani" on the English version of Aljazeera and the result was "no pages found." What!? Of course, there was plenty about U.S. aid to the Palestinians being in danger, and the radical Christians in the Republican Party. Why is it we can turn on the news and not see throngs of peaceful Muslims chanting and protesting in front of the Iranian Embassy demanding that this Christian pastor not be murdered? Why? I think Lt. Col. Allen tells us why.

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Some will argue that I'm discussing religion in violation of our rules, but I am not. I'm talking about terrorists and their recruiting and support structure. You could substitute "Mexican drug cartel" for "Islam" and the discussion would be the same, threats to Americans.
I Went back and reread your first post again and yes I guess missed it and agree with you. My post(s) I guess are more about us thinking we have any say in what a sovereign nation does with in it's own borders. I apologize for going astray from the point of the topic.
by suthdj
Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:03 pm
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Topic: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian
Replies: 44
Views: 4972

Re: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian

mamabearCali wrote:
suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.
First of all he is Iranian, so where should he practice his religion? That is his country, it is his home. It is not as if he immigrated there. Second the bible says to obey the laws of man so long as they do not interfere with the laws of God. God's laws forbid worship of any other God including the Islamic God and insist upon worship of Him and Him alone, so he can't obey the laws of the land. Better to lose your life than to lose your soul. May heaven bring this pastor and his family comfort and peace.
I understand it is a tragedy that this is happening however would you walk into a zombie camp, wolf den, bear cave, Muslim country full well knowing you may never walk out, yes I know he is Iranian and if he valued his life should have practised in private. My view on religion is different. I believe people should come to you, never knowing you are a christian because they see you are a better person and want to know how to be more like you. BTW isn't God the same God for Muslim, Jews, Christians? I just did the search on that and the religious community is at odds there also, So it is a mute point. I lost hope in religion(not god) a long time ago I see it as a tool for control and money making, not 100% but enough to discourage me away from it.

As a side note here is a joke I remembered my pastor telling when I was a kid.
3 religious leaders(insert your religions of choice) were standing and talking about how much of the church money goes to god.
The first guy says "I draw a circle on the ground then throw the money in the sky that which falls in the circle god gets."
The second guy says "I draw a circle on the ground then throw the money in the sky that which falls outside the circle god gets."
The third guy says "I throw the money in the sky that which god grabs god gets."
by suthdj
Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:41 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian
Replies: 44
Views: 4972

Re: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.
The point is a Muslim country is killing someone solely because he is a Christian. So much for the argument that Americans and other Christians are murdered solely by "extremists perverting Islam."

I'm not going to get into a discussion of religion, but the Bible teaches to obey the laws of the land, so long as they do not violate the laws of God.

Chas.
I never said it was right. But we have to respect the laws of a host nation just as we expect visitors to respect ours. He went there and did what he did knowing what could happen and is going to pay the ultimate price, his life. I have to think he did this full well knowing what could happen.
by suthdj
Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:18 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian
Replies: 44
Views: 4972

Re: Iran is murdering a pastor for being a Christian

It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.

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