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- Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:28 am
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Linking "gun enthusiasts" to "anti-government militias"
Thought I'd start this broad thread to discuss a trend I'm seeing popping up with more frequency in the news media recently: The subtle (or sometimes not so subtle) linking of "gun enthusiasts" and other supports of 2A and RKBA with "anti-government" milias and groups and "home grown terrorists". I remember the similar links during the Clinton years, and of course the ugly fallout from tragedies like Ruby Ridge, Waco/Branch Davidians, and of course the Oklahoma City bombing (15th anniversary of OKC, and 17th of Waco, is today), not to mention copious gun control proposals and legislation (Brady Bill, Assault Weapon Ban etc.)
I'm very troubled by this trend. Was just watching a news report over an early lunch and the cable news anchor showed a gun-support rally at a National Park in Virginia and a RKBA rally in Washington DC, then (perhaps because it is the anniversary of Waco and OKC) they segued directly into a discussion of the anniversaries and "new threats" from "home grown terrorists" and "militias" and such and of course had some quotes lined up from Janet Napolitano.
This all strikes me as highly manipulative and deceptive to link RKBA supporters with anti-government groups. Not saying the two aren't linked in some way with a few similar core beliefs and even some people who believe in both causes. But the two broadly defined groups certainly are not in lock step with each other. And one does not necessarily lead to the other.
I remember first detecting some of these subtle hints during the ruckus a few months back when some people were videod open carrying near Presidential events during the health care reform debate. And, of course, Napolitano has thrust the whole "right wing radical" issue to the forefront with her own fear mongering.
It's sort of obvious to see the liberal fear mongering machine start rolling down the tracks. And I think the RKBA/2A crowd should sharply distance itself from the true anti-government radicals. Sure, as RKBA supporters we are against government intrusion and overstepping. But not to the extend of radicalized views and plans to overthrow the government through violence. If actually shooting a gun to defend yourself from a violent attack is a last resort as I believe most here universally acknowledge, then a violent overthrow of a government (no matter how much you may disagree with and despise that government) is also an absolute last resort and not something that should be promoted or even hinted at while we still enjoy most of our rights. Everyone has to define this for themselves, of course. And I'm not trying to define for anyone else what constitutes enough government intrusion to make a call for rebellion worthwhile.
But I don't think - at this point - any clear link between supporting RKBA and supporting anti-government rebellion is beneficial to RKBA at all. In fact, it will prove highly detrimental if Obama and Dems retain control after the mid-terms and especially if Obama is re-elected. I truly believe Obama will wait until a second term before pushing any gun control policies. If the liberals succeed in painting gun supporters with the same brush as anti-government radicals, he will have a MUCH easier time passing gun control legislation (just as Clinton did).
I also continue to find it interesting how liberals/Democrats always raise more concerns with "home grown terrorists" while conservatives/Republicans will always find a foreign boogey man to fear. Not attempting to state a reason for this so please don't insert one in my mouth; I just find it odd and interesting and will leave it at that.
Anyway, just thought I'd share some random "brain droppings" (thanks to George Carlin for that description). And now I yield the floor to my esteemed forum members ....
I'm very troubled by this trend. Was just watching a news report over an early lunch and the cable news anchor showed a gun-support rally at a National Park in Virginia and a RKBA rally in Washington DC, then (perhaps because it is the anniversary of Waco and OKC) they segued directly into a discussion of the anniversaries and "new threats" from "home grown terrorists" and "militias" and such and of course had some quotes lined up from Janet Napolitano.
This all strikes me as highly manipulative and deceptive to link RKBA supporters with anti-government groups. Not saying the two aren't linked in some way with a few similar core beliefs and even some people who believe in both causes. But the two broadly defined groups certainly are not in lock step with each other. And one does not necessarily lead to the other.
I remember first detecting some of these subtle hints during the ruckus a few months back when some people were videod open carrying near Presidential events during the health care reform debate. And, of course, Napolitano has thrust the whole "right wing radical" issue to the forefront with her own fear mongering.
It's sort of obvious to see the liberal fear mongering machine start rolling down the tracks. And I think the RKBA/2A crowd should sharply distance itself from the true anti-government radicals. Sure, as RKBA supporters we are against government intrusion and overstepping. But not to the extend of radicalized views and plans to overthrow the government through violence. If actually shooting a gun to defend yourself from a violent attack is a last resort as I believe most here universally acknowledge, then a violent overthrow of a government (no matter how much you may disagree with and despise that government) is also an absolute last resort and not something that should be promoted or even hinted at while we still enjoy most of our rights. Everyone has to define this for themselves, of course. And I'm not trying to define for anyone else what constitutes enough government intrusion to make a call for rebellion worthwhile.
But I don't think - at this point - any clear link between supporting RKBA and supporting anti-government rebellion is beneficial to RKBA at all. In fact, it will prove highly detrimental if Obama and Dems retain control after the mid-terms and especially if Obama is re-elected. I truly believe Obama will wait until a second term before pushing any gun control policies. If the liberals succeed in painting gun supporters with the same brush as anti-government radicals, he will have a MUCH easier time passing gun control legislation (just as Clinton did).
I also continue to find it interesting how liberals/Democrats always raise more concerns with "home grown terrorists" while conservatives/Republicans will always find a foreign boogey man to fear. Not attempting to state a reason for this so please don't insert one in my mouth; I just find it odd and interesting and will leave it at that.
Anyway, just thought I'd share some random "brain droppings" (thanks to George Carlin for that description). And now I yield the floor to my esteemed forum members ....