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baldeagle wrote:

JJVP wrote:I don't think proper handgun use; and safe and proper storage of handguns and ammunition is what needs to be covered at all in a CHL class. Those topics belong on a firearm safety class. The only requirements for the CHL class are non-violent dispute resolution, use of force, and CHL laws.

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There are four (4) required topics: use of force; non violent dispute resolution; handgun use; and safe and proper storage of handguns and ammunition. Additional topics may be taught as well.

You'll notice, I hope, that CHL laws are NOT included.

baldeagle wrote:

The_Busy_Mom wrote:

Crossfire wrote:I am not real concerned about the loss of revenue from renewal students.

What I AM concerned about is making it through the summer. Students have cancelled classes right and left for May and June so they can wait for the shorter class in September. So, we might be taking the summer off in preparation for the September stampede.

I am also concerned that DPS will not be quick in responding to this change, and we will be scrambling to figure out how to manage the same class material in a shorter time, while still meeting DPS requirements.

I haven't had any cancellations, but I am making sure that I have at least a break-even point for my summer classes. I'm getting into prep mode for that September stampede as well. I just don't see where I am going to be able to really cut down the curriculum without teaching the test. It's do-able, I know, but really hard when you think all the information is good information!

TBM

Think about what you are required to teach as opposed to what you think it's good for the students to know. Use of force; non violent dispute resolution; handgun use; and safe and proper storage of handguns and ammunition are all that's required. The rest is fluff. Handgun use and safe and proper storage of handguns shouldn't take more than an hour.

That leaves you an hour and a half each for use of force and non violent dispute resolution. IMO both should get equal time. Note that there is no requirement to teach chl laws regarding prohibited locations, proper behavior in public, types of holsters, types of weapons, forms of concealment, and all those types of things that commonly get covered.

If I were an instructor, I would put together a small booklet about things you should know about having a CHL that I am not required to teach. I would hand that out at the end of every class along with the DPS TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS AND SELECTED STATUTES. And I would tell them, it is your responsibility as a CHL licensee to know all the laws and to fully understand your responsibilities. These booklets should serve as a reference and guide to assist you in learning what you need to know.

At the beginning I would cover handgun use and safe and proper storage. I would ask for a show of hands; how many have never touched a gun before? How many feel comfortable that they are handling guns in a safe manner? Then I would state that the goal of this hour is to get every one of you to the point that you will never handle a gun in an unsafe manner.

Next I would do non violent dispute resolution. I would finish with use of force. That way the class begins by stressing proper and safe handling of firearms, leads into non violent dispute resolution (because I just taught them how serious firearm ownership is and how easily someone can be hurt through improper handling and therefore deadly force should be a deliberate choice as well as the last resort.) Then, the last section of the class would be structured like this: You've learned proper handling and safety, you've learned how to avoid violent encounters, now let's talk about what you can and should do and what the law permits you to do when you have no options left and must use deadly force.

I'd probably do the range work between non violent dispute resolution and use of force. So, class begins at 8:30. Break at 9:30. Resume at 9:45 and go to 11:15 with a break at the half-way point. Break for lunch. Meet at the range at 1:15. Shoot until done. Resume class for 1 and 1/2 hours to complete the use of force section. Then administer the test and hand out certificates.

gemini wrote:

RogueUSMC wrote:REASON FOR VOTE

Senator Birdwell submitted the following reason for vote on
HB 508
:
Today, I voted against House Bill 508, which would prohibit a state agency or
political subdivision from providing false notice to a CHL-holder that entering certain
government premises with a concealed handgun is prohibited. Though I initially
supported the bill, I ultimately voted against it due to the addition of an amendment
allowing CHL-holding elected officials to carry their firearms in all locations
prohibited to regular citizens. Though I am an unwavering proponent of Second
Amendment rights, I could not in good conscience grant myself a privilege that I had
failed to first grant law-abiding citizens. Concealed Handgun License holders are
allowed to carry almost everywhere they go. In my judgment, if we are going to
expand when and where Texans can legally carry a concealed firearm, we should start
with our citizens–not our lawmakers.
BIRDWELL

Your thoughts?

I agree with Birdwell. If memory serves, the Austin Elitist (our Sen & House Reps) tried something similar
last session. I definitely like the original idea behind HB508. Too bad John Corona ruined it.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

stash wrote:Anyone know if HB383/SB481 (that's the one regarding whether a TX resident can carry on a out of state license) has passed? Yes, thank you Charles for everything you do for the cause.

Both of those bills are dead.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

geoelectro wrote:My renewal date is Nov. 11. Should I wait until Sept. (2) to start renewal to enjoy these changes? Seems like enough time, or is it cutting it too close?

Looks to me like you can wait until Nov. 11 to renew:

HB48 (Flynn, R, A+): Relating to the procedure under which a person may renew a license to carry a concealed handgun.
Impact: 1) Removes the requirement to take a renewal course to renew a CHL; 2) Allows a person to continue to carry a handgun in Texas on an expired CHL, if a) they timely filed the required renewal documents; b) paid the renewal fee; and c) have not been notified by DPS that the renewal application was denied.

Sorry, I failed to update the bill status report and deleted the part about continuing to carry on an expired license. That part was stripped out in committee.

Chas.