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by 74novaman
Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:12 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

sjfcontrol wrote:The Obama campaign has released an ad claiming that Romney misquoted Obama. But the ad itself shows Obama saying exactly the same words as Romney claimed he said -- the "...you didn't build that..." quote.

You couldn't make this stuff up!

LINK HERE
The funny thing is, when you look at the context of that 1 sentence....it makes the statement look worse, not better. It doesn't explain away what he was saying so much as expands upon the fact that he thinks you didn't "earn" what you've got so its perfectly okay to take it away from you. I can think of a couple other countries who thought the individual existed only to serve the State. It always works out so well for everyone. :grumble
by 74novaman
Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:04 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
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Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

The Annoyed Man wrote:
tallmike wrote:That top 1% also brings home 25% of the nations income and they control 40% of the nations wealth (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ti ... 22655.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). Yep, it sounds like they are being taxed to death.
It's not the nation's income, it's their income. It's not the nation's wealth, its their wealth. That's the problem with the progressive paradigm. It assumes that the money belongs to the nation, and the nation's proxy, the government. It does not. It belongs to the people who earn it. That is a fundamental tenet of the right to property, as understood and promoted by the Founders—that the acquisition and accumulation of wealth is private property just as is the acquisition and accumulation of farm acreage, cows, houses, pitchforks, and lanterns. Wealth is the fruit of one person's labor and it is his/her property. If he/she is so blessed as to have residual wealth upon his/death, then that wealth is properly inheritable by that persons's heirs just as is any other acquired and accumulated private property.
Exactly, bingo, nail meet hammer, on and on. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
by 74novaman
Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:31 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

apostate wrote:On a more serious note, this reminds me of a conversation from Atlas Shrugged.
"Rearden. He didn't invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn't have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it's his? Why does he think it's his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything."

She said, puzzled, "But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn't anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?"
The book was long and had some drivel in it, but it had a few points that just hammered home, especially in our current times. Because my wife is going into the healthcare field, I always found this quote particularly poignant.
"I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago,” said Dr. Hendricks. "Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything – except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the ‘welfare’ of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only ‘to serve.’ That a man who’s willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards – never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind – yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands? Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims. Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of a man who resents it – and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn’t.
by 74novaman
Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

tallmike wrote:The sound bite makes it sound like he is taking away all credit for individual accomplishment, but the entire statement is far from that and his point is valid.

What we achieve is not in a vacuum. We all benefit from the society we live in, including the infrastructure and security our government provides.

Yes, some of his words could have been chosen better when you put it all in context and give it some rational thought you can see that it is true.

Here is what he said:
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me —because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
If those wealthy Americans want to give something back....nothing is stopping them from doing so. They can donate more to the IRS, provide to a charity, start an initiative to help people out. Penn Jillette sums up my problem with this idea of "taxing people is good because it helps others" idea.

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Regarding rationally looking at what he's trying to say: That's easy. What he's saying is that because we don't live in a vacuum, people who have more money need to give some of that money back to the govt. I reject the idea of that as a positive thing in its entirety.

Let me ask you a question: What action of the Wright Brothers helped society more: The taxes they paid, or powered flight?

As far as I can tell, successful people are "doing their fair share" and giving back. Its the leaches on the other end who produce nothing, do nothing, and expect everything that are the problem.
by 74novaman
Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:25 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

sjfcontrol wrote: Most of the stupid things he says are stupid mistakes. (57 states, repeatedly mispronouncing "corpsman", etc.) This is not only stupid, but insulting to the extreme, and it wasn't a mistake, he really meant it, and meant to say it.
True.

Here's another fun one:

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by 74novaman
Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:09 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

sjfcontrol wrote:I Predict...
You didn't build that!
will go down in history alongside...
Read my Lips!

I don't know, Obama has said some stupid things before and they didn't stick. I hope it does, but we will see.
by 74novaman
Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:23 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

In other news, this statement has spawned a hilarious internet meme. I hope it catches on.

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I love it. :mrgreen:
by 74novaman
Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:51 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: I could've sworn those guys built that...
Replies: 86
Views: 10614

Re: I could've sworn those guys built that...

Obama is completely right, without the govt people would never build successful businesses.

I mean, just look at how successful the post office is.

And Soylendra is a booming corporation thanks to govt help!

Oh....um, never mind. :leaving

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