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by ClarkLZeuss
Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:54 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Healthcare Passes
Replies: 151
Views: 17508

Re: Healthcare Passes

Kythas wrote:I fear things are about to get ugly in this country. The ideological divide between people is wider than ever before and Obama - who was supposed to be a uniter and bring everyone together - has kicked the widening of that divide into high gear. We are so much more polarized today than we were on election day.

Today, in two separate incidents, bricks were thrown through Democrat party headquarters in New York. This is probably just the beginning.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03 ... .html?_r=1

The Secret Service is investigating two calls on Twitter to assassinate the president since last night's vote.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/health-ca ... d=10170233

I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.
Let's hope that cooler heads prevail, and that people channel their anger into political action instead. The last thing any of us need is a bunch of people pointing fingers in our general direction.
by ClarkLZeuss
Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:47 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Healthcare Passes
Replies: 151
Views: 17508

Re: Healthcare Passes

joe817 wrote:
nitrogen wrote:David Frum puts it into perspective.
Yes it certainly does. Thanks for sharing the link nitrogen. :tiphat:
Unfortunately Frum's entire article is based on faulty assumptions:
(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.
In response: The economy has not improved since Obama took office, and there are currently no signs that it will, at least not drastically. Even if it somehow does, there's no proof that it "will" improve by November, as Frum so confidently asserts. The majority of the "goodies" of the healthcare bill will not take place until 2014, and that's beside the point that dozens of legal challenges are poised to stop or at least delay anything from taking immediate effect. Also, nothing is forever and anything can be repealed. See constitutional amendments 11 and up.

Finally, it's just so silly to me how people like Frum rail against Fox News. For every Glenn Beck on Fox there's a Geraldo. For every guest like Ann Coulter there's another guest like Al Sharpton. And even if Frum or others could prove Fox is biased, the even sillier thing is that they want to pretend that all other news organizations are not biased. Yeah right!

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