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by jmra
Fri May 31, 2013 8:32 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
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Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I'm with you, Crossfire.

BTW - was watching Fox News today about the lady in Oregon who didn't have a gun to protect herself from her violent ex-boyfriend, and was told by 911 that they didn't have any one to send out. To make a long story short, I thought to myself, "I need to use this in my CHL class." And then I had a second thought - where in the world am I going to fit that in with the reduced hours. We are all going to be doing a bunch of cramming, looks like.

:txflag: TBM
I usually find myself on the same side of the fence as you and your husband, but I dont understand this thought process. Why would you feel it necessary to show this to your CHL class? The fact that they are taking your class says that they get it, they don't need to be convinced. Once instructors understand that we don't need to be "sold" on the need to carry it will be very easy to recognize and eliminate unneeded material and fall well within the new time limits.
That being said, love what you and your husband are doing. Keep up the good work. :thumbs2:
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 7:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

un0fficial wrote:So just that I'm clear, this has all passed?

If so, when will they be effective?

Sorry if it's been asked, didn't want to go through 6 pages or so :P
Most of the bills being passed become effective Sep 1.
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 7:01 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
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Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

jmra wrote:Which bill was this?
"Texas lawmakers have sent to Governor Rick Perry a bill that allows concealed handgun license holders to carry a revolver or semi-automatic pistol, regardless of what they trained with on the shooting range.
Current law certifies license holders to carry only the type of gun they use to get their license. The bill by Senator Craig Estes, a Wichita Falls Republican, allows them to carry either model."
Found it - HB 3142.
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 6:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

Which bill was this?
"Texas lawmakers have sent to Governor Rick Perry a bill that allows concealed handgun license holders to carry a revolver or semi-automatic pistol, regardless of what they trained with on the shooting range.
Current law certifies license holders to carry only the type of gun they use to get their license. The bill by Senator Craig Estes, a Wichita Falls Republican, allows them to carry either model."
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 8:20 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

tobasco wrote:I think a long class time is good.
I am thankful that our legislative body disagrees with you.
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 7:54 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

flechero wrote:
Beiruty wrote:
jmra wrote:
Beiruty wrote:I am NOT starting a flame war. However, The 2ndA, starts with "A well regulated......

CHL as well as gun ownership should be somehow regulated as it is high responsibility. "Wackos with guns" are real the enemy of our gun rights. It is just fresh in our mind what Loranza did of uncalculated harm to our rights.
Did you forget the "shall not be infringed" part?

Not really, however, can you arm a career-criminal, a violent felon, or an insane person under the clause "Shall not be infringed"?
Criminals and "wackos" are already prohibited from owning guns so additional regulation (today's definition) which only burdens the legal, intended group, is ludicrous.

There were and always will be a percentage of the population that is criminal, mentally unstable, etc., you don't permanently punish the entire population to address a few. I believe that there are already plenty of laws regarding criminals, yet they still manage to get and use guns, drugs, etc. (quite easily, I think)
:iagree:
The libs will say that they would rather a 100 guilty people walk away free than 1 innocent person go to jail. I wish they would apply that same logic to 2A. If they did, honest people walking the streets of our largest cities would no longer be victims and armed criminals would be on the endangered list.
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 7:31 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

Beiruty wrote:
jmra wrote:
Beiruty wrote:I am NOT starting a flame war. However, The 2ndA, starts with "A well regulated......

CHL as well as gun ownership should be somehow regulated as it is high responsibility. "Wackos with guns" are real the enemy of our gun rights. It is just fresh in our mind what Loranza did of uncalculated harm to our rights.
Did you forget the "shall not be infringed" part?

Not really, however, can you arm a career-criminal, a violent felon, or an insane person under the clause "Shall not be infringed"?
Absolutely not. The founding fathers understood that criminals with ill intent should not have firearms. The way they addressed this issue is with long prison terms or the gallows.
A career-criminal, a violent felon, or an insane person should be removed from society then there's no concern about their access to firearms.
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 7:12 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

Beiruty wrote:I am NOT starting a flame war. However, The 2ndA, starts with "A well regulated......

CHL as well as gun ownership should be somehow regulated as it is high responsibility. "Wackos with guns" are real the enemy of our gun rights. It is just fresh in our mind what Loranza did of uncalculated harm to our rights.
Did you forget the "shall not be infringed" part?
by jmra
Sun May 26, 2013 6:17 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
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Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

tobasco wrote:I think it's a mistake to lower the bar for CHL. If anything I would want to increase the overall requirements. CHL holders are sort of an elite group right now and I think they should be. If someone has plastic then you know they are responsible and committed enough to have gone through the hoops to carry. I'm against constitutional carry for this reason but that seems to be what we are evolving towards in Texas. I know that most people in this thread disagree, but before you do I would wonder if you are taking for granted the high quality of the current body of CHL holders are and assuming it will always be that way. Having 100% of the population carrying would be excellent but not at any price.

Ironic that the changes will take place September 1st. I just hope it's not a new Eternal September.
So you want to be one of the "elite" and you are opposed to something that is (was) a constitution right. You're right most (I would hope the vast majority) of people on this thread will disagree with you.
How do you define "shall not be infringed"?
by jmra
Sat May 25, 2013 10:19 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
Views: 35395

Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

RoyGBiv wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Thank you Charles for continuing on in the fight without being discouraged by people who are too ungrateful to recognize all that you do on our behalf.
^^ Absolutely this. THANK YOU Mr. Cotton. :patriot: :txflag:
:iagree: :iagree:
by jmra
Thu May 23, 2013 10:52 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
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texanjoker wrote:
jmra wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
jmra wrote: "Renewal CHL students have to take the same test as initial students, so every instructor must cover the material in 4 hours now, and this includes range time.
Surely, you don't think students remember anything from a class five years earlier."
Quote from Chas.

I take it upon myself to research and continue learning as much as I can. Even this past weekend I took out my CHL law book I got when I took the class and took a hour of reflection.

Carrying a CCW is IMO a huge responsibility and liability so I want to know as much as I can so I can be prepared for any situation that may arise.

The more you know......
:iagree: I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. Learning CHL laws is the responsibility of the holder. A class whether it be 4 hrs or 20 hrs is no substitute for personal study and research.
:iagree: however most people will now take the basic 4 hour course. That is not enough IMO, and I'm sure my view will be the minority. This will be interesting to see what other states do about carry agreements with TX. Heck maybe I can get my wife to take the course now :thumbs2:
I don't see other states having any issue with this whatsoever. If anything it brings our requirements more inline with others.
by jmra
Thu May 23, 2013 8:26 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
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Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

nightmare69 wrote:
jmra wrote: "Renewal CHL students have to take the same test as initial students, so every instructor must cover the material in 4 hours now, and this includes range time.
Surely, you don't think students remember anything from a class five years earlier."
Quote from Chas.

I take it upon myself to research and continue learning as much as I can. Even this past weekend I took out my CHL law book I got when I took the class and took a hour of reflection.

Carrying a CCW is IMO a huge responsibility and liability so I want to know as much as I can so I can be prepared for any situation that may arise.

The more you know......
:iagree: I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. Learning CHL laws is the responsibility of the holder. A class whether it be 4 hrs or 20 hrs is no substitute for personal study and research.
by jmra
Thu May 23, 2013 5:50 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
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Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

The_Busy_Mom wrote:
jmra wrote:So, how long is your renewal class? I doubt anyone's renewal class is more than 6 hours. You are required to cover the same material in your renewal class as you are in the initial class. So why not take your renewal class and make it your initial class?

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't have to attend those classes anymore. :mrgreen:
Wrong. I am required to teach 1 of the 4 topics in a renewal class - laws that pertain to weapons/deadly force. The test is still the same, however. So what you wind up with is instructors like my initial, who gave an open-book test. :rules: And believe me, that instructor was not teaching the full 10 hours of an initial. :waiting: The instructor had the renewals arrive at lunch, gave them the info we had already covered in the morning, and then carried on. But you have to remember that renewals have already seen this information once before; it truly is a refresher. You aren't teaching renewals brand new information like you are initials. It's the initials that have the potential to be losing out. I'm not trying to make a case for no reduction - I believe in the reduction of the hours. But there will have to be some change in the way I present the material. And now that my hand is forced, I'll be making those changes sooner rather than later.

:txflag: TBM
"Renewal CHL students have to take the same test as initial students, so every instructor must cover the material in 4 hours now, and this includes range time.
Surely, you don't think students remember anything from a class five years earlier."
Quote from Chas.
by jmra
Wed May 22, 2013 9:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
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So, how long is your renewal class? I doubt anyone's renewal class is more than 6 hours. You are required to cover the same material in your renewal class as you are in the initial class. So why not take your renewal class and make it your initial class?

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't have to attend those classes anymore. :mrgreen:
by jmra
Wed May 22, 2013 5:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders
Replies: 197
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Re: Major advancements for Texas CHL holders

JJVP wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
The_Busy_Mom wrote:
Crossfire wrote:I am not real concerned about the loss of revenue from renewal students.

What I AM concerned about is making it through the summer. Students have cancelled classes right and left for May and June so they can wait for the shorter class in September. So, we might be taking the summer off in preparation for the September stampede.

I am also concerned that DPS will not be quick in responding to this change, and we will be scrambling to figure out how to manage the same class material in a shorter time, while still meeting DPS requirements.
:iagree:
I haven't had any cancellations, but I am making sure that I have at least a break-even point for my summer classes. I'm getting into prep mode for that September stampede as well. I just don't see where I am going to be able to really cut down the curriculum without teaching the test. It's do-able, I know, but really hard when you think all the information is good information!

:txflag: TBM
Think about what you are required to teach as opposed to what you think it's good for the students to know. Use of force; non violent dispute resolution; handgun use; and safe and proper storage of handguns and ammunition are all that's required. The rest is fluff. Handgun use and safe and proper storage of handguns shouldn't take more than an hour.

That leaves you an hour and a half each for use of force and non violent dispute resolution. IMO both should get equal time. Note that there is no requirement to teach chl laws regarding prohibited locations, proper behavior in public, types of holsters, types of weapons, forms of concealment, and all those types of things that commonly get covered.

If I were an instructor, I would put together a small booklet about things you should know about having a CHL that I am not required to teach. I would hand that out at the end of every class along with the DPS TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS AND SELECTED STATUTES. And I would tell them, it is your responsibility as a CHL licensee to know all the laws and to fully understand your responsibilities. These booklets should serve as a reference and guide to assist you in learning what you need to know.

At the beginning I would cover handgun use and safe and proper storage. I would ask for a show of hands; how many have never touched a gun before? How many feel comfortable that they are handling guns in a safe manner? Then I would state that the goal of this hour is to get every one of you to the point that you will never handle a gun in an unsafe manner.

Next I would do non violent dispute resolution. I would finish with use of force. That way the class begins by stressing proper and safe handling of firearms, leads into non violent dispute resolution (because I just taught them how serious firearm ownership is and how easily someone can be hurt through improper handling and therefore deadly force should be a deliberate choice as well as the last resort.) Then, the last section of the class would be structured like this: You've learned proper handling and safety, you've learned how to avoid violent encounters, now let's talk about what you can and should do and what the law permits you to do when you have no options left and must use deadly force.

I'd probably do the range work between non violent dispute resolution and use of force. So, class begins at 8:30. Break at 9:30. Resume at 9:45 and go to 11:15 with a break at the half-way point. Break for lunch. Meet at the range at 1:15. Shoot until done. Resume class for 1 and 1/2 hours to complete the use of force section. Then administer the test and hand out certificates.
I don't think proper handgun use; and safe and proper storage of handguns and ammunition is what needs to be covered at all in a CHL class. Those topics belong on a firearm safety class. The only requirements for the CHL class are non-violent dispute resolution, use of force, and CHL laws. :tiphat:
:iagree: I have said many times that a CHL class should not be an "introduction to firearms" class.

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