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texanjoker wrote:

jmra wrote:Yes, you still have to fill out the paperwork. I've never had anyone make copies of my DL or CHL nor would I allow them to.

Every time I buy a gun they photograph my DL and CHL. That has been done at more then one store.

That might be because you are LEO. They've seen the LEO/CHL crime rate comparison.

I know, you have a CHL and you are of outstanding character and I am thankful to have people like you serving the public. just ribbing you some.

I can't tell you why other than the fact I don't buy much from the LGS. Mostly I've bought from sporting goods stores or gun shows. One thing I do insist on is that my DL and CHL does not leave my sight. I have purchased at Cabelas and Bass Pro but that was before all the craziness with the roped off lines I hear about.

docbrazos wrote:In times past my LGS kept 5 to 10 copy's of my DL and CHL on file at all times. Each 4473 had one stapled to the back of the form. Made the ATF happy and simplified inspections. Also simplified purchase as I didn't have to prove up every time!
Sorta like dealers that won't sell a gun without a photo ID (DL) even though you have a CHL which should be all the ID one needs.....but that's not the way it works.

I'm sure it did make the ATF happy. Having a detailed registry of everyone's guns would also make them happy.

rotor wrote:Try to get into a doctors office without a copy of your drivers license being made (and your insurance card). They must have valid photo id now.

The only thing any of my doctors have ever asked to copy is my ins card.

RX8er wrote:

jmra wrote:

android wrote:

OldCannon wrote:

Abraham wrote:
Rarely, after I turn in the paper work, someone will inform me that I HAVE to provide my SS#.

It says "Optional" right on the form. If they object, tell them to call the ATF and have them explain what "optional" means

The SSN is used as a tie breaker if you have a name and birthday the same as a prohibited person in the NICS database. Since the CHL exempts you from the phone call, there is no need to fill it in.

I see no problem with a photocopy, it allows to FFL to easily prove to ATF auditors that they did in fact verify the information and other that a crappy photo that they could easily get from DPS in an hour if they need it, contains nothing that's not already on the form. As a SW developer, I'm pretty paranoid about information, but this one is not an issue.

The SS# as a tie breaker doesn't work. I speak from first hand personal experience.

I've heard this too but don't if it is true. If your name and dob are matched to a possible name in the database, IMHO, you'll go for a further check unless you have and use a UPIN. I have a friend I used to work with who's name is David Smith and he gets trouble all the time. I think he is planning to apply for a UPIN.

I was actually denied even tho I included my SS#. Turns out the "agent" overstepped her authority.
I was already in the process of getting my CHL so I didn't pursue other avenues. I did call the number that the FFL calls and spoke to a different agent. He said it was obvious to him that I was fine and not the person that triggered the denial. He also said the agent that had handled the original call was Antigun and prided herself in finding excuses to issue denials.
He tried to get his supervisor to override the other agent but apparently there is paperwork involved that the supervisor wasn't interested in doing.
The agent said I could probably walk to the next table and buy a gun without an issue. He said the way the calls cycle through agents I wouldn't have to worry about getting the same agent for a very long time if ever.

android wrote:

OldCannon wrote:

Abraham wrote:
Rarely, after I turn in the paper work, someone will inform me that I HAVE to provide my SS#.

It says "Optional" right on the form. If they object, tell them to call the ATF and have them explain what "optional" means

The SSN is used as a tie breaker if you have a name and birthday the same as a prohibited person in the NICS database. Since the CHL exempts you from the phone call, there is no need to fill it in.

I see no problem with a photocopy, it allows to FFL to easily prove to ATF auditors that they did in fact verify the information and other that a crappy photo that they could easily get from DPS in an hour if they need it, contains nothing that's not already on the form. As a SW developer, I'm pretty paranoid about information, but this one is not an issue.

The SS# as a tie breaker doesn't work. I speak from first hand personal experience.

knotquiteawake wrote:So if your CHL was revoked for committing a felony and you didn't return it to them you can still use it to skip the background check and purchase a gun (as a felon)? I didn't realize you could skip the background check, I thought it mostly just allowed you to skip putting down the SS# on the forms.

You're talking about a statistical nonevent. Beside the fact that if they have a CHL they already have guns. Unless the guns were confiscated, in which case you can bet the CHL card would also be confiscated. Not an issue in my book.

Abraham wrote:So, the upshot of this is: Having one's DL & CHL photocopied (for this purchase) is nothing to be upset about?

So, why are some proclaiming it is?

Thanks!

The problem I have with it is they don't need it. If they don't need it they shouldn't get it.

Yes, you still have to fill out the paperwork. I've never had anyone make copies of my DL or CHL nor would I allow them to.