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Liberty wrote:

couzin wrote:Hillary says it is our problem - Americans are responsible for the drug traffic because they buy the drugs, and we are responsible for the gun problem in Mexico because we make and sell guns. Is anything in the world not created by, or the responsibility of, Americans??? I'm getting tired of this crap.

Isn' t part of the problem that Americans are buying illegal drugs? I thought this was a fair statement. Just wondering.

Sure, Americans are buying drugs. But it does not appear that our federal government has made a real effort to secure our borders. If they had done that, then maybe the supply of drugs would be a mere trickle. Instead, they have ignored our borders and national security for as long as any of us can remember. Drug smuggling is one symptom of poor border security.

couzin wrote:Hillary says it is our problem - Americans are responsible for the drug traffic because they buy the drugs, and we are responsible for the gun problem in Mexico because we make and sell guns. Is anything in the world not created by, or the responsibility of, Americans??? I'm getting tired of this crap.

Everything is our fault if you're a member of the Blame America First crowd.

-CT

Mithras61 wrote:Rather than change our laws, why aren't we closing the border?

That is the sort of common sense that our government often lacks. Yes, shut 'er down and it fixes a lot of the problems. But, no, it just can't be that simple -- surely there is a bigger issue, which is the second amendment.

-CT

So for those who have not been playing along...

A few weeks ago, Holder mentions a ban.

Last night during Obama's "press conference" he feels the need to work in the statement that guns are going from the USA into Mexico. I had to point that out to my wife and tell her that this was now at least twice that they mentioned that, and they are going to now start building the case that we are hurting our neighbors to the south.

Then today Hillary Clinton says: "MEXICO CITY – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday that America's "insatiable" demand for illegal drugs and inability to stop weapons smuggling into Mexico are fueling an alarming spike in violence along the U.S.-Mexican border." (Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_ ... ton_mexico" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_ ... ton_mexico) And then she says this, "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians."

So they are now trying to create the straw man argument that our second amendment is now killing Mexican citizens, police officers and soldiers. We bear a "co-responsibility" now according to Hillary Clinton. They have now tied together our second amendment freedom with violence and death in another country. That is one step, but they will tie together other arguments which they believe are compelling and arguments which they know will play will on the nightly news and in the liberal big cities. Their goal will be for the regular sheep to hear the argument a few times, never questioning it, and let it just sink in. They want the average person to just accept the sound byte, which many will. They also want the cocktail party circuit to sit around sipping chardonnay, repeating the phrases that they are hearing as if it is fact.

This is all typical of the politician, create a fake or fictitious problem which suits their needs and then they propose their solution to this fake problem. Of course it was their solution that they wanted in the first place, so they needed a fictitious problem so that they could say, "Well, if 'A' is true, then clearly we must do 'B'".

In this case, the politician wants the desired outcome -- B: Gun ban.

So they create straw man argument A: U.S. Second Amendment is killing innocent people in Mexico.

This is the tail wagging the dog.

This is happening. This is moving forward. They are laying the foundation at this point -- the drum beat has started. They will accelerate it and accelerate it until they feel that they have enough people convinced that they can make a run around the defense and into the end zone. Every one of you are the defense and so are your families and it will take each of us standing up to be counted in order to sack this.

This is not going to go away on its own.

Just remember, this straw man has already been offered by Holder, then Obama now Clinton. They have indicated that they are going to make a move in due time. They will build their argument over time and then will exploit an unfortunate situation to harness emotion which will carry them through.

-CT