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by AndyC1911
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:14 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)
Replies: 55
Views: 15381

Re: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)

cirus wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:30 am
AndyC1911 wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:27 pm
I'm glad you fail them. People want the plastic without putting in the slightest amount of work - nuh-uh.

While I want Constitutional Carry, I'm aware that it means we'll have a lot of incompetents wandering around.
So your alright with this same person that just failed their chl class and being denied a license to constitutionally carry in Texas? :headscratch
Yes, because it's their Constitutional right to do so - keep and BEAR arms, remember? - along with its concomitant responsibilities, which is the unspoken but critical component. You do realize said incompetents currently can legally carry in their homes and vehicles RIGHT NOW, right? That includes grandma who might not be able to see well enough to hit inside the 8-ring at 15 yards but sure as heck can stick a revolver in a rapist's ribs at halitosis range.

When I carried legally for a few decades in South Africa, there was no training course in order to carry - we devoured everything we could read regarding the law of self-defense, knowing full well that what we didn't know would bite us in the behind. A personal anecdote is no proof of anything of consequence, of course, but an entire country made it work so...
cirus wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:30 amSo basically the incompetents will be able to legally carry in Texas without a license but if they want to travel to another state they will need to pass the chl class?
You're moving the goalposts here; I wasn't referring to other states at all, but if they "want to travel to another state", that's their problem. Personally I'd like to see mandatory classes gone in every state, yet like most everyone else I'd highly encourage anyone to get as much training as they can in the areas of safe gun-handling and legal issues.
by AndyC1911
Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:27 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)
Replies: 55
Views: 15381

Re: Distressed about lack of Constitutional Carry Support (Long)

Tex1961 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:13 am 20 to 25% failure rate on the range. I average 2 to 3 students out of 10 who fail their proficiency test. Everything from simply not scoring enough points on the target to simply not able to operate their firearm. I have seen everything from trying to load ammo in the magazines backwards, inserting mags backwards, unable to remove magazines because they don't know where the mag release is, unable to rack the slide and the list goes on. Last weekend alone I had to ask 2 students to please leave the range due to being a danger to themselves or others. I get at least 2 students per weekend who have to rent a gun at the range to take their test because they don't have one, students who have NEVER held a gun in their life trying to qualify...
I'm glad you fail them. People want the plastic without putting in the slightest amount of work - nuh-uh.

While I want Constitutional Carry, I'm aware that it means we'll have a lot of incompetents wandering around.

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