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apostate wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

gras wrote:Even though my application is still processing, I will skip the shows until they stop posting the anti CHL sign. If I can find a local FFL who charges $10-15 for transfers, it's break even with the shows after paying to shop.

What is the "consensus" on gun shows in City auditoriums? 30.06 valid?

30.06(e) seems pretty clear.

My take, but we keep talking about 30.06 at all gun shows, yet most are at city owned auditoriums. Or, is this a case of leased by a 3rd party and under their control?

gras wrote:

Matt78665 wrote:In my opinion give you money to a store that supports our 2nd amendment rights

I agree. I never saw a Costco with a 30.06 sign so I will shop there but won't go to any more gun shows that post a 30.06 sign. Even though my application is still processing, I will skip the shows until they stop posting the anti CHL sign. If I can find a local FFL who charges $10-15 for transfers, it's break even with the shows after paying to shop.

What is the "consensus" on gun shows in City auditoriums? 30.06 valid?

Oldgringo wrote:I wish I had a Costco with a Hearing Center closer to the home ranch in the Pineywoods. Costco's 1/4 pound polish with a soft drink for $1.50 is the best lunch deal in just about any town.

Oh, did I mention that I don't care about any Costco gun policy? They sell gun safes so they can't be too anti-2A, eh?

I understand, and am not trying to convince you otherwise. I have only been trying to make others aware in case it made a difference to them. My point is simply that if they feel this way, I don't care to give them my money. Similar if they have gun buster signs, I know they are not enforceable, but it displays an attitude that i don't care to fund. Your money, do as you please.

birdman253 wrote:We have a new Costco in Pharr that just opened a little while ago. We joined before I even heard about their gun policy. We don't go often, just when we need to stock up on some items, and today was the day.

Having read this thread, and not wanting to take the walk of shame to disarm, I left mine in the car. Imagine my surprise when I got to the door, and found no signs at all. They did have the blue signs at the seperate entrance to the liquor store section, but the main entrance had nothing!

Guess I know next time to not leave it in the car!

Please read ongoing thread. This isn't about 30.06 signage, but company policy. Each will have to do as they seem fit on this as there is nothing legally binding from a breaking-the-law standpoint, but rather knowing their official policy, do we still want to do business with them. The most they can do is cancel your membership, but for me, I am choosing not to join.

RottenApple wrote:I just got back from a trip to Costco in Rockwall. They have no 30.06 and only the blue TABC sign. I stopped at the membership desk and asked for a copy of the membership agreement. There's not a thing in there about firearms at all. I know someone linked an online FAQ page that showed it, but if it isn't in the membership agreement, I don't see how it's legally binding.

BTW, I CC'd there with no problems. After all, concealed is concealed.

On one forum, a person wrote that it was listed in a membership packet they received after joining. Dunno, I'm not a member.

Dragonfighter wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

Dragonfighter wrote:OT, personally I can't imagine they are very serious about enforcing that rule or for that matter the customers having knowledge of it. Neither the Membership Terms, Welcome Brochure or FAQ's even mention firearms, weapons, handguns, etc. This blog explains the hopelessly convoluted steps one must follow to find the policy, and that is when you KNOW what you are looking for.<SNIP>

Yes, each store is aware of the policy. In the Erik Scott matter of Las Vegas, he was told no guns were allowed in store. If you google Costco gun policy, you will find on forums people writing to their local stores asking what the gun policy is, with being told that Costco has a no-gun policy. While it is stupid to ask a business such, it shows management is aware.

Okay, that shows the management is aware of it so now I am wondering why it is buried so deep in the process that if you do not ask, you'll never know. There has to be some repercussions for such deception, for it is most definitely deceptive.

Dragonfighter wrote:OT, personally I can't imagine they are very serious about enforcing that rule or for that matter the customers having knowledge of it. Neither the Membership Terms, Welcome Brochure or FAQ's even mention firearms, weapons, handguns, etc. This blog explains the hopelessly convoluted steps one must follow to find the policy, and that is when you KNOW what you are looking for.

So to the moral, not legal, question. Egain.net appears to be a legitimate third party IT contractor, that said there is no navigation directly to the link from either the Costco site or Egain.net. So the question becomes, is Costco even aware that this "policy" is being disseminated as "their official policy?" And following is the question, since the "policy" is so difficult to find that virtually none would find it without being provided a direct link, what moral imperative is being violated by following the terms as they are presented and entering where no legal notice has been given? How's that for a run on sentence?

Yes, each store is aware of the policy. In the Erik Scott matter of Las Vegas, he was told no guns were allowed in store. If you google Costco gun policy, you will find on forums people writing to their local stores asking what the gun policy is, with being told that Costco has a no-gun policy. While it is stupid to ask a business such, it shows management is aware.

Keith B wrote:

testersbc wrote:just in cas you didn't know. A COSTCO employee got one of veterans killed there because he was carrying a concealed firearm.

Yep, there's currently 58 pages of discussion on the shooting of Erik Scott here http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36107" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I removed your link to the Las Vegas paper. We don't allow links to any Las Vegas media outlets on the forum.

Sorry, didn't know anything about the ban. What's the story with that??

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Keith B wrote:

3dfxMM wrote:

Btw no proper sign at the Costco near me. No signs at all at the Costco where Erik Scott was murdered.

Why would they need signs? All the members have already been informed of the policy.

30.06 signs or notification in writing in in the form of 30.06 are the legal methods for Texas. This is not a legal 30.06 notification, so you could not be prosecuted for carrying there. The most they could legally do is terminate your membership, ask you to leave and have you arrested for trespassing if you refused or came back.

EDIT TO ADD: wgoforth beat me to it

This. And by the way, to the OP, THANKS A WHOLE LOT for giving me notification. I did not know this before, and I've been a Costco member for nearly 20 years. Regardless of their policy, I was unawares of it until now and could have legitimately claimed that I never received notification, and now having read the official web page, I can no longer truthfully say that I have not received it........30.06 or not.



I realize that we need, as fellow members of the CHL community, to keep one another informed about the legal pitfalls involved. But, what does it do to a legal defense if the prosecution knows that you read the Costco policy before carrying into the store?

Truthfully though, I don't give a rip. Until they post a proper 30.06 sign, I'm going to pretend that I never read this and I'm not going to let any of this deter me.

Sigh.... until YOU chose to click on the link, you only had my word. until YOU chose to click on the link, you still could have said you did not receive it. Most of the time, we RKBA guys are about personal responsibility. Maybe I'm in an ill mood today, but don't know why I am being blamed for trying to make others aware of this issue, and then was up to them or not to click on it and read it.... think I'll go take a chill pill for a while. Back in a few days.......

BTW...doesn't written (legal) notification have to be the same wording as the 30.06 anyway, if it is the legal aspect one is worried about.

steveincowtown wrote:I may quickly be proved incorrect, but I am going to have to call....uh.....well...."malarkey" on this one.

Link is ".net" and has some sort of weird extension on it.

https://costco.egain.net/system/selfser ... ticle=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I went to the Costco site and can't get back around to where is this info is.



Anyhow, I am off to buy a new tinfoil hat....

This is no "malarkey" and maybe I am taking it the wrong way, but the "tinfoil hat" comment seems to attempt to portray one as paranoid. By googling, you can readily find their policy is known.

3dfxMM wrote:This isn't about the legality. It is about their policy which the member agreed to in writing. I guess not many here are concerned about keeping their word unless they can get into legal trouble for not doing so.

That's what I've been saying. You sign saying you agree, then do it anyway. But also why do business with them at all, knowing their attitude when there are ample other places? As for me and my house.....

3dfxMM wrote:

Btw no proper sign at the Costco near me. No signs at all at the Costco where Erik Scott was murdered.

Why would they need signs? All the members have already been informed of the policy.

Difference between policy and law. Penal code requires written notice to have same wording as 30.06

Since one agrees to this policy as a requirement for membership, is it honest to join, then carry anyway? For me, no. Second, why would I choose to do business with them if that is their policy?

Keep in mind this is a private club. They are not required to follow "civil rights laws" as such. Note letter sent to this person. After scouring internet, I found this exact letter sent to numerous people, so must be official generated letter to any inquiry:

"As an initial matter, Costco is not a place of "public accommodation" within the meaning of civil rights laws. The definition of "public accommodation" does not include a bona fide private club or other establishment that is not in fact open to the public. Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It is not open to the general public. It restricts membership to a limited group of qualified individuals who agree to membership conditions. We have the right, and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce membership rules. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are obliged to follow these rules. By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership.

Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.The shopping experience is not enhanced by bringing a firearm into our warehouse.

Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy.

Sincerely, "

I learned yesterday that COSTCO has an official no-gun policy for it's members. I am assuming this, like an employee company policy, means you could have membership terminated if found in violation. Myself, I would not become a member first knowing this is their policy. Here it is from their website:

https://costco.egain.net/system/selfser ... ticle=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If this has been covered, I apologize. I did search and did not see such listed. Note it basically says if you don't like our policy, go somewhere else.

Apparently this is not on the application anywhere, but within a membership packet you receive after joining.