Disparity of size and strength certainly does come to play. No one is/should ever tell you yes/no you can shoot, because one has to look at the totality of the situation, too many variable... but rather can you honestly say you were in fear for your life? Think of the "Reasonable Man Doctrine." Would a reasonable man have acted as you did, or feel you acted reasonable? A 6 ft man coming with fists (though no gun) against a woman that is 4 ft 5 and she could easily be in fear of her life. It is difficult to cover everything due to time constraints. The state requires the "4 food groups" and to add more would require another day, and it is hard to get through the required material as it is. My suggestion to you and those in my class is to take other gun/defense classes. ie, I soon will be offering a class called "Beyond CHL" that would go into more detail on those matters.Chris Brines wrote:Interesting, and I'm glad to see that this was a misunderstanding, because a law abiding citizen protecting him or herself could get hurt or killed if that law were a reality. Now, I took my CHL class today and want to be sure I heard something correctly....If I am not mistaken my instructor said that if you are being threatened physically by someone who is obviously physically larger and stronger than you, whether with or without a gun, and you draw your weapon because it escalates to the point you are in fear for your safety....Sorry, that's a bit of a run on sentence...
Anyway...
If you are in this position and the threatening person says, "go ahead shoot me", it is then legal to shoot them?
Believe me, it would take much more than that to make me pull the trigger, but I just want to be sure I heard him correctly.
On a side note, I took my first ever CHL class just a few hours ago...and well, I think the CHL class material is very informative and all extremely relevant, but if there is one thing I would change it would be this:
I would dedicate more time to ensuring that each student TRULY understands all that is involved with using deadly force...at the time the shots are fired, and months later... I would also spend more time and maybe include some more intensive lessons on defusing a situation verbally. This was covered, the "child, parent, adult" aspects of communication, but I think it is just as important as learning how to draw and shoot your weapon should it come to that point. I have read some stories in the news of CHL holders acting like Wild West Cowboys when it was probably unnecessary to fire shots, (from what I could tell by reading the articles, I was not in their shoes so I really can't say).
Believe me I have zero sympathy for lowlife criminals, and as far as I'm concerned, when they decide to rob, burglarize, or use violence, then whatever happens to them is their own fault and they have nobody to blame but themselves. Unfortunately, however, the way this disillusioned nation's attitude towards law abiding gun owners is going, anytime there is any sliver of a doubt of whether or not it was completely necessary to fire shots (meaning whether or not this persons life was threatened), it gets the anti gun (for lack of a better word) hypocrites in a stir, and the last thing we need is people setting bad examples for them to use as "ammo" to contest our rights. Just something I've observed in the last year or so. Then again, if we could the pendulum the complete other direction and we'd definitely have a more "polite society" in the long run...just sayin'
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- Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:58 pm
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- Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:10 pm
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Thanks, can't say it was original! Apostle Paul said "All things are lawful but not all things are expedient."74novaman wrote:It was worth another quote.wgoforth wrote: Everything legal isn't always prudent.
Good advice for life in general.
- Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:33 pm
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Keep in mind you are getting it second hand, and anyone could have dropped the ball along the way. 3/4 of gun failure is mag failure. As Clint Smith says about magazines, "One is none and two is one." I carry two spare mags all the time. As to not having to be concealed...true, your not required to. Having mags exposed could lead to unwanted questions, but not against any laws UNLESS it could be said that it was "calculated to create alarm" which could become an issue. Everything legal isn't always prudent.ITRY2FLY wrote:Thanks for the quick replies guys! This sounded a bit fishy, and I'm a firm believer in knowing FACTS before jumping to a false conclusion.
I sincerely hope that his instructor is not actually teaching this, as this completely goes against what I have been taught about 'Two is one, and one is none', and the advantages of carrying extra mag(s). I really should find out if this instructor is teaching this as a matter of practice or if this was just a misunderstanding. Thinking this may be the former since he mentioned the instructor explained this as "...(someone) having extra magazines could be interpreted as possibly using or desiring to use excessive force if involved in a shooting....". This sounds like a case of teaching improper information with potentially lethal consequences for those who may have otherwise desired to carry an extra mag or two who are now afraid to because of what was said or implied in this CHL course.