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As I said in another thread, we're dealing with people that aren't content to open carry, they want to open carry in your face!

Also, they have no long term strategy, no understanding of a stepping stone approach, and no understanding of how to work our government for their advantage, make allies, and use groups with a similar agenda to build momentum. They are, in effect, using the nuclear option of "my way or the highway", and "I want it all now, or nothing."

So. . . for now. . . it looks like "nothing" is exactly what they'll get.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

fickman wrote: I talked to her about Constitutional rights vs. privileges; I talked to her about how we let everybody vote even though they do great harm when they are uninformed, but we cannot give a literacy test. . ..

IIRC but felons can't vote in Texas.

EDIT: actual requirements:
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/pa ... pamp.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who can vote in Texas?
To be eligible to register to vote in Texas, a person must be:

•A United States citizen;
•A resident of the Texas county in which application for registration is made;
•At least 18 years old on Election Day;
•Not finally convicted of a felony, or, if so convicted must have (1) fully discharged the sentence, including any term of incarceration, parole, or supervision, or completed a period of probation ordered by any court; or (2) been pardoned or otherwise released from the resulting disability to vote; and
•Not determined by a final judgment of a court exercising probate jurisdiction to be (1) totally mentally incapacitated; or (2) partially mentally incapacitated without the right to vote.

So there are limits to everything, and everything should be discussed.

A Constitutional Right can be revoked through due process of law. That's the distinction between it and a privilege. (Some here will add that the Constitution doesn't grant us rights, it enumerates rights we have from God.)

A right is yours by default and they have to follow due process to remove it. A privilege you don't have, but can follow a process to obtain it.

The age criteria establishes the definition of citizens who are recognized as autonomous and, therefore, are vested with all of their rights.

I had this argument with a family member last weekend. I mentioned not having to take the CHL renewal class and she - a conservative, die-hard Republican, pro-gun, married to LEO, middle-class suburban stay at home mom was AGAINST doing away with the renewal class because she thought the reminder and proof of proficiency is a good thing.

I talked to her about Constitutional rights vs. privileges; I talked to her about how we let everybody vote even though they do great harm when they are uninformed, but we cannot give a literacy test. . . every trick in the bag. She was unwavering.

In general, I feel even many pro-CHL LEOs would want licensed open carry if they stomach any at all. I think the average suburban conservative mom like my relative would too.

The court of public opinion is in session, and Constitutional carry is a long climb from where we are now, and these idiots are setting fire to the map, laying off the guides, and chewing on the compass.