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The Annoyed Man wrote:That is why, even though I can carry past a sign that is non-compliant in some small particular, I am not likely to, because I will respect the wishes of the property owner. And if the sign is completely non-compliant, I still have a brain, and I still know the property owner's intent.

I respect where you land. I have read of instances where a business purposefully posts a non-compliant sign to pacify the anti's while allowing CHL. Basically, in (probably rare) situations, the gun buster sign and egregiously non-compliant 30;.06 are almost a secret handshake to CHLers saying, "Well, of course YOU'RE welcome here."

I don't pull a measuring stick out for letter size and I don't look for missing commas, though. It has to be obviously non-compliant for me to walk past it.

Philosophically, I fundamentally disagree that private property rights are absolute when it comes to the privacy of another person.

Unfortunately, our law disagrees with me, and I follow the current state law. I will never stop in my quest to convert people to my view, though.

First, right or wrong, we have trumped private property rights with civil rights legislation, so there is a precedent.

Second, if somebody doesn't LIKE something about me (that isn't protected by the civil rights act or disabilities ac) but can't DETECT it, then the government should not assist them in enforcing house rules. We don't need 30.06 because we already have trespassing laws that work just fine.

If you see my gun or think I have one, you can ask me to leave and I have to. If I don't, I'm trespassing. If we had open carry and I chose to exercise that, you can ask me to leave as soon as I enter your property. If I don't, I'm trespassing.

If you don't like my green shirt, you can ask me to leave and I have to. If I don't, I'm trespassing.

If, however, you insist that nobody can enter your store with green underwear on, well, that's fine, but you don't know who has on green underwear until / unless I fail to conceal it. If that happens, then you can ask me to leave and I have to. Otherwise, it's MY private property, my privacy, and my right to be secure in my possessions. I know the 4th Amendment only protects us from the government, but they are in effect assisting private property owners in this case by enforcing 30.06.

That's my take.

I won't carry past a valid 30.06, but I think we SHOULD be able to and I don't think this is a sovereignty over private property issue. I also know I'm in the minority. (Although - not a protected class of minority!)

"Concealed is concealed" is generally reserved for times when a building has a blatantly non-compliant 30.06 sign, unenforceable "no-gun" signs or cards, or is a city / county / state government building that is not allowed to post the 30.06 sign. Also, places like some churches that may frown on carrying a gun, but seeking permission isn't wise because you risk getting legal notice if they say, "No."

If a place is validly posted with a 30.06 sign OR you've been specifically told not to carry there by an owner / manager / rep OR you've received 30.06 in writing OR it is a 51% establishment OR is specifically forbidden in the concealed carry statutes OR is a Federal building OR if you're intoxicated. . .

DO NOT CARRY!