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Mach1 wrote:I think most of us are new testament when it comes to dealing with good people; but we quickly revert to old testament when set upon by bad guys.

My carpel tunnel can't handle engaging in this conversation, albeit interesting. This sounds like a great discussion to have over an IPA or a cappuccino.

I've almost written basically this same thing several times, and I'm a Reformed Baptist. I just haven't had the energy. Thanks for the write up. I'll expand more on my thoughts later when I have more time.

38 They [the disciples] said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"It is enough," he replied.

The best commentaries I've seen on this. . . from the theologians I hold in the highest regard, agree that he was not saying, "that's enough swords!" He was instead saying, "Enough sword talk". . . frustrated that they missed his point. He was on a topic saying how his kingdom is spiritual, not physical, and they completely missed his point.

If Jesus WAS saying, "That's enough swords", I believe it was only because he knew a sword would be needed at the garden for the disciple to attack the soldier, Jesus to stop him and heal the soldier. Then he immediately speaks against the action. . .

There is a lot in the Bible to justify self defense, even deadly force, but this verse isn't it.