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ELB wrote:

fickman wrote:...

I would not carry on a LEO ride out. Usually, those are with my BIL, so it's a matter of respect to him. Although he does start each ride with instructions on how to release the shotgun, send an emergency signal to dispatch, and a reminder that if things turn ugly, I better be coming up fast to help!

I am sure your BIL is in general a decent guy and isn't consciously thinking this, but standing back from the situation a little bit, the way it works out is, "If I get in trouble, it's OK for you to be armed (with the shotgun) to save my butt, but you can't be trusted to be armed with your own gun to defend yourself."

I have avoided the CPA type programs because this issue.

I should be clear there are two different scenarios:
When I was in the Code Blue program, I carried during my personal patrols. I carried at the community center where we had our training. I did not carry on my FWPD ride out.

My BIL works for a different city. I did a ride along with him a few times when he was still a patrolman. He absolutely trusts me to carry; I didn't out of respect for his department and with a desire to keep him out of trouble. The department policy said, "No concealed carry firearms." I signed a form (not 30.06) and his superior asked before the ride along to make sure I complied. . . my BIL answered that I was not carrying. They knew I was his BIL - not just a citizen ride along. I didn't want to get him in trouble.

Telling me how to grab the shotgun was his workaround. . . essentially arming me in an emergency while protecting himself from superiors if somehow they figured out I was carrying. He wanted somebody to watch his back. I wasn't looking to get involved in a skirmish, but if he was being pummeled on the side of the road during a stop, I was definitely going to jump in.

I was part of the Fort Worth program for a while. I carried on my patrols in my own personal vehicle against the agreement. The agreement did not have 30.06 language. In FW, concealed is truly concealed. If an officer got wind of you carrying during the program, you would be removed. No wink-and-nudge deals, either. They removed a guy for saying, "but it'd be OK to carry as long as you don't know, it's just you can't give me permission, right?"

Sometimes I took my wife as a "volunteer ride along". She carried, but I didn't "officially" know that, as I didn't ask, and concealed is concealed. . .and she never signed an agreement.

The risk is your own: if there is an incident, you won't be covered by the city attorney if you are carrying in violation of the agreement.

I would not carry on a LEO ride out. Usually, those are with my BIL, so it's a matter of respect to him. Although he does start each ride with instructions on how to release the shotgun, send an emergency signal to dispatch, and a reminder that if things turn ugly, I better be coming up fast to help!