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The Sarge wrote:

fickman wrote:

The Sarge wrote:A civilian handcuffing anybody under any circumstances is not a good thing. All kinds of legal issues. Your licensed and laws are there for concealed carry and when/where and under what circumstances you can draw and fire....handcuffing? I dont think so....

I don't think OP was asking if the CHL authorized him to carry handcuffs.

If I read it correctly, this is a non-CHL specific question asked to a CHL audience with the assumption that they are more proactive in self defense scenarios. He could also ask this question in his Tae-Kwon Do class if he took one.

Anybody can carry handcuffs. In some circumstances, anybody can use them. If you definitely want to carry them, I'd talk with an attorney and the DA where you live about the laws around using them. You don't want to end up with a false imprisonment charge. I agree with the others that trying to use them could put you at a tactical disadvantage. I'd recommend the "Stay there until the police arrive. I'll interpret any attempt you make to get up as a new threat against me," line of strategy.

Would I use handcuffs on a BG? No. I also wouldn't tie him up with rope, duct tape, or have my dog sit on him.

*Edit to remind you that I am not a lawyer.

HUH? Who the heck is talking about being "authorized"? He built a scenario about he has shot somebody and does he handcuff them...I said nope IMHO....I dont know what your talking about here.....

The Sarge,
I was not trying to insinuate anything with my response. I apologize if there was a misunderstanding. The flow of your first response sounded like you were admonishing the OP that his CHL did not authorize him to use handcuffs. I was pointing out that this was never his question.

Here's what you said:
Your licensed and laws are there for concealed carry and when/where and under what circumstances you can draw and fire....handcuffing? I dont think so....

I found this sentence somewhat confusing to read without being with you in person to hear it worded conversationally. A simple reading without additional context sounded like you meant to say:
You're licensed to carry a concealed handgun. There are laws to explain when and where you can carry your concealed handgun. The laws also explain the circumstances under which you can draw and fire your handgun. Does your license authorize you to use handcuffs? Do the laws give you instructions on using handcuffs? I don't think so.

There was not a break (other than the ellipses, which I did not read as breaking the logical flow of the thought since it was contained in the same sentence) between your discussion of the rights and restrictions afforded by holding a CHL and your conclusion that handcuffs were not permitted. The two ideas seemed to be tied together.

Again, I apologize if I misread your response or read too much into it. Hopefully I explained what I read and why I misconstrued it.

Gray wrote:For those of you who dont know this--- Tae kwon do is a sport, not a martial art.

I assume that is directed at me.

I never equated your questions to Tae Kwon Do as self-defense. I was answering to somebody who seemed to mock you and tried to clarify what I understood your question to be - including the basis and motivation for the question. I was saying that you might feel it appropriate to ask any community of people gathered together around the common topics of self defense and preservation. I arbitrarily chose Tae Kwon Do as a specific example of this type of community.

The person I was addressing seemed to imply that you were asking if your CHL permitted you to carry handcuffs or to detain somebody. I was clarifying in your defense that this was not the intent of your question.

FWIW, this is probably the most reasonable firearm forum you will ever find. The people are rational, responsible, and kind. If you think you got dogpiled here or are taking a few sarcastic jokes so personally that you are planning to leave this website, then you probably aren't ready for online community with strangers. Nobody got out of line here. I'd recommend having more charity when reading other people's words - which are often easy to misinterpret as malicious - and give them the benefit of the doubt.

You got your answer. . . basically unanimous agreement that it would not be practical or wise to carry handcuffs as part of your equipment. You were given legal cautions and tactical reasons to support the responses. What else did you want? Don't get mad if you ask a question and don't like the answer because it's not the one you were looking for.

The Sarge wrote:A civilian handcuffing anybody under any circumstances is not a good thing. All kinds of legal issues. Your licensed and laws are there for concealed carry and when/where and under what circumstances you can draw and fire....handcuffing? I dont think so....

I don't think OP was asking if the CHL authorized him to carry handcuffs.

If I read it correctly, this is a non-CHL specific question asked to a CHL audience with the assumption that they are more proactive in self defense scenarios. He could also ask this question in his Tae-Kwon Do class if he took one.

Anybody can carry handcuffs. In some circumstances, anybody can use them. If you definitely want to carry them, I'd talk with an attorney and the DA where you live about the laws around using them. You don't want to end up with a false imprisonment charge. I agree with the others that trying to use them could put you at a tactical disadvantage. I'd recommend the "Stay there until the police arrive. I'll interpret any attempt you make to get up as a new threat against me," line of strategy.

Would I use handcuffs on a BG? No. I also wouldn't tie him up with rope, duct tape, or have my dog sit on him.

*Edit to remind you that I am not a lawyer.