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marksiwel wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare ... vate_cover" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;SQLGeek wrote:A serious question: Would your ultimate preference be a single payer system similar to many European models?marksiwel wrote:Honestly I would have loved to have seen a Public option, to compete with the insurance companies.
Thats what I want to see
They already tried it once. It was called the NRA, a part of FDR's New Deal, and it was a dismal failure. Read the book New Deal or Raw Deal. FYI, Ford Motor Co. defied the government then as it did just recently during the bailouts. Very interesting read though and eerily some parallels to what is happening now. Fair warning though, you will lose a lot of respect for FDR once you read it. He didn't do much "for the people", but rather to accumulate power.Kythas wrote:The day will come when the Federal government - waiving the commerce clause like a preacher waives the Bible - will regulate what salary each of us is allowed. The government is already taking steps with regulating pay in the auto and insurance industry saying they have the authority under the commerce clause to do so. Well, if anything can be regulated by the commerce clause, then so can the salaries of each and every American.
They were jerks and a jury resolved the issue and it is a perfect example of our approach if you include the rest of the facts to gain context:marksiwel wrote:explain to me why Anthem Blue Cross raised its rates more than 30% also why did the spend 10 million on lobbying Law Makers? Could it be, they are jerks?
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Anthem Blue Cross denied California man transplant coverage
March 24, 2010 (NewYorkInjuryNews.com - Injury News)
New Source: JusticeNewsFlash.com
Legal news for California insurance litigation attorneys. Blue Cross refused to pay for out-of-sate transplant, lawsuit soon followed.
A lawsuit was filed after Anthem Blue Cross denied a liver transplant at an Indianapolis hospital.
Los Angeles, CA—Anthem Blue Cross has been ordered by a Los Angeles jury to cover the costs of a liver transplant that the insurance company pulled out of because the patient received the surgery out-of-state. Blue Cross was also ordered to pay the plaintiff’s legal expenses, which could exceed the $206,000 cost of the transplant, as reported by the Los Angeles Times.
In 2006, the plaintiff’s, Ephram Nehme, 62, liver began to fail, and he was subsequently placed on the UCLA’s transplant list. Blue Cross approved the procedure, because UCLA was apart of its contracted network of hospitals. As Nehme’s health steadily deteriorated, the UCLA physician recommended that he be put on the transplant list at Clarian Transplant Center in Indianapolis; the wait was a mere 6 weeks at Clarian, compared to UCLA’s median wait time of two years. Blue Cross denied Nehme coverage because he had the procedure done at the unaffiliated Indianapolis hospital, which caused him to pay out-of-pocket for his transplant in January 2007.
I'm voting their just jerks
I am also glad the settlement was declined so that it was heard in a courtroom and the issue was brought to light.The lawsuit asserts that Blue Cross denied him coverage for the Indiana transplant to save the insurance company money. The jury, which consisted of three Blue Cross medical coverage holders, decided on a 10 to 2 vote that the insurance company broke its contract with the plaintiff, after a two-day deliberation. A 9 to 3 vote contended that Blue Cross acted in “bad faith by refusing to pay for the out-of-state operation.” Lawyers representing Nehme are seeking to broaden the jury’s ruling to be covered under California’s unfair competition law. Nehme’s attorneys will be asking the court to order the insurance giant to “allow California members to pursue organ transplants at hospitals nationwide that do business with its parent, Indianapolis-based WellPoint Inc., the nation’s largest health insurer.”
Blue Cross stated they offered to settle with Nehme out-of-court, for a larger sum of money that was awarded, but he denied. Nehme contends that the case is “not about the money,” instead he saw the lawsuit as an avenue to “pressure Blue Cross to stop denying out-of-state transplants.”
Socialist is only dirty in America because it means you are stealing an individual's FREEDOM. Plain and simple Individual Freedom is the foundation of the Constitution. Government does not exist to help people. That is what CHARITY is for and if the federal government were not taking so much from everyone in this country to redistribute it to others based on politics, not need, charity would become what it used to be and the government would be unnecessary for that aspect, as it should be.marksiwel wrote:I think I just busted a gut laughing.
Yes, you also spend YOUR money on paving the roads to make sure I get to work, you spend YOUR money making sure their are police to Protect ME, and you spend YOUR money making sure their are F-35s patrolling the skies against Communist.
Or we could have taken the money we wasted on New Fighter Jets, and spent it on Healthcare and broke about even.
I guess I'm just a dirty "Socialist" (Anyone care to tell me "WHY" thats a bad word?) that I think the main reason we have a government is to HELP PEOPLE.
marksiwel wrote:Why cant we do it better? Why are you already quitting before we've begun?sjfcontrol wrote:Mark -- I don't know how old you are, but I'm betting I spend more per month on health care insurance than you do.
I spend a FORTUNE to insure myself and may wife.
If (when) this passes, my rates will SKYROCKET.
I will be paying for myself, and a few other people who can't afford it.
Yeah, thanks, Mark. Hope you enjoy the insurance I'm paying for.
Hope you enjoy waiting in line to get your broken arm fixed -- maybe they'll have an opening for you 18 months from now. Or maybe, if you're my age. They'll figure your too old to treat...
Welcome to socialized medicine.
Also isnt it great to have Insurance? Remember when you didnt? Remember what that felt like?
You are allready paying for Medical treatment for people, why do you think it costs more to fix an arm HERE than it does in Canada, or Europe, its not because there is anything magical going on in setting a cast here in America, its because of the bloated mess Hostipals have become due to insurance companies and people not being able to pay.
I got charged 30 dollars for a bottle of asprin, anyone care to explain how thats possible?
that we can do better AND if the Government would have stayed out of it and allowed them to compete as normal, just like they messed up the mortgage system by forcing banks to loan to those that can't afford it, things would be working much better. Working within the bounds of the Constitution (remember it?) and allowing insurance to compete across state lines (interstate commerce is under their domain). Try reading how much all of your treatments and test costs through that insurance and then try offering cash to pay for it. Watch how fast the cost plummets, maybe not as much as a few years ago, but it will. FREEDOM means I should not be forced to pay for someone else's insurance and it is INSURANCE, not health care. Texas 
has had some success with tort reform and they chose not to model that, but the failed program in MA. If it was about what works, then use what HAS worked rather than trying to force what has failed. 