Personally I would not shoot anything that either I loaded or somebody I personally know and trust loaded. People can claim all new everything but if too much powder is added because they are moving to fast with the sole reason of making a profit and fast production then the chances are much greater that they will not even notice if a double charge was dropped into a case..... I believe that is what happened in this situation....Commander wrote:I've bought some ammo in the past from individuals who as they put it, load new. New casings, etc. I've had good luck so far. However, I just bought some of these "new" loads from a different company. After seeing these photos I have concerns. What is the consensus on these type of loads?
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- Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:07 pm
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Re: Gun Show Re-loads- Kaboom!!!!
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:57 pm
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Re: Gun Show Re-loads- Kaboom!!!!
No offense taken, I am looking for input such as yours, thanks......AndyC wrote:I can see some variance in weight ocurring between cases, bullets and powder - but I'd be really interested to hear about powder-charge differences when you get to pulling the bullets.Salty1 wrote:the range was from 199.0 grains up to 209.9 grains, all had the same JHP bullets seated in them. There is almost an 11 grain swing, the bullets and cases are the same. Sounds to me like double and triple charges were put into the cases although I have not yet taken any apart to formally verify this by weighing the individual componants.
We likely won't know the powder used, but we could get pretty close if you post some close-up pics of the powder granules - and then relate those charges to loading tables.
Any chance that 1 shot was a squib-load, which stuck a bullet in the barrel, and the shooter simply cranked off another round? No offense, just trying to check the possibilities of there having been undercharged loads.
I know the person who ownes the revolver and his many years of experience I would have to doubt it was a squib load scenerio, the barrel was clear afterwards, I know it could have pushed the stuck bullet out but tend to doubt that with all the other combined factors. I will wait until I can gather some small packets for each componant so I can properly catalog and store each item, brass, bullet and powder. If it was me I would take all the gathered information to the re-loader and demand a new handgun, but that is not my call. I willprovide all the documented information that I think would hold up in a small claims court. Most likely will be a few days before all the fact gathering is completed then with the owners permission I will share it on the forum.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:57 pm
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Gun Show Re-loads- Kaboom!!!!
Due to the lack of ammunition many are turning to gun show re-loads, I cannot caution people enough to avoid these at all costs. It is better to not shoot than risk yourself to some back yard unlicensed hack looking to make a few bucks at your risk.
The below pictures are from last week, a friend let somebody shoot 38 special re-loads that were purchased at a gun show in his handgun. The revolver is a S&W Airlight PD chambered in 357, no problem shooting 38's through it right? The picture will speak for itself.
Being the type of person who wants to know why this happened he let me take the gun and ammo to do some research, so out came my trusty reloading tools, a scale and my calipers. I weighed each cartridge first, I know that I should not have been amazed but I was, the range was from 199.0 grains up to 209.9 grains, all had the same JHP bullets seated in them. There is almost an 11 grain swing, the bullets and cases are the same. Sounds to me like double and triple charges were put into the cases although I have not yet taken any apart to formally verify this by weighing the individual componants. The finished cartridge lengths are also all over the place the majority well below the specified lengths in re-loading manuals.
Fortunatly nobody was huurt, the shooter was hit on his safety glasses by a flying object, no damage, strike one up for lady luck. Notice the shell case and bullet, we believe that is the one which caused the damage. It appears that the shell case burst before the projectile could leave the barrel, instant hand grenade!!!!!
We need to educate everybody we know about purchasing re-loaded ammo from people that they do not know, .... I wonder how many of the people with baggies full of ammo are licensed to re-load and sell?
The below pictures are from last week, a friend let somebody shoot 38 special re-loads that were purchased at a gun show in his handgun. The revolver is a S&W Airlight PD chambered in 357, no problem shooting 38's through it right? The picture will speak for itself.
Being the type of person who wants to know why this happened he let me take the gun and ammo to do some research, so out came my trusty reloading tools, a scale and my calipers. I weighed each cartridge first, I know that I should not have been amazed but I was, the range was from 199.0 grains up to 209.9 grains, all had the same JHP bullets seated in them. There is almost an 11 grain swing, the bullets and cases are the same. Sounds to me like double and triple charges were put into the cases although I have not yet taken any apart to formally verify this by weighing the individual componants. The finished cartridge lengths are also all over the place the majority well below the specified lengths in re-loading manuals.
Fortunatly nobody was huurt, the shooter was hit on his safety glasses by a flying object, no damage, strike one up for lady luck. Notice the shell case and bullet, we believe that is the one which caused the damage. It appears that the shell case burst before the projectile could leave the barrel, instant hand grenade!!!!!
We need to educate everybody we know about purchasing re-loaded ammo from people that they do not know, .... I wonder how many of the people with baggies full of ammo are licensed to re-load and sell?