I want to change my response due to this thread:
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I think it would be best to keep the pistol as concealed as possible, so low ready may not cut it unless it is fully out of view of the aggressor.
I was not aware of this McDermott decision until doing a lot more research on PC §9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE. It is unfortunate that we have this contradiction in our statutes.
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- Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:30 pm
- Forum: Never Again!!
- Topic: Road Rage Witnessed
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- Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:01 pm
- Forum: Never Again!!
- Topic: Road Rage Witnessed
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Re: Road Rage Witnessed
Just to be clear, I witnessed this, it did not happen to me.
There was no escape route for the trapped vehicle except reversing, which would have been nuts with oncoming traffic!
As for 911, I can tell you that there was not time for that. The guy slammed on his brakes and got out of the car as soon as it stopped.
In this case, I think if a phone is handy, if the guy saw you on it, he would probably get even more upset because he would think you were going slow because you were on the phone! Maybe showing him the phone and yelling that are calling 911?
I think the verbal commands are a good suggestion. I don't practice yelling when I dry fire. Maybe I should start practice yelling, "Stop!" "Someone call 911!"
Scary story Puma Guy. Thanks for all the other responses!
There was no escape route for the trapped vehicle except reversing, which would have been nuts with oncoming traffic!
As for 911, I can tell you that there was not time for that. The guy slammed on his brakes and got out of the car as soon as it stopped.
In this case, I think if a phone is handy, if the guy saw you on it, he would probably get even more upset because he would think you were going slow because you were on the phone! Maybe showing him the phone and yelling that are calling 911?
I think the verbal commands are a good suggestion. I don't practice yelling when I dry fire. Maybe I should start practice yelling, "Stop!" "Someone call 911!"
Scary story Puma Guy. Thanks for all the other responses!
- Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:09 pm
- Forum: Never Again!!
- Topic: Road Rage Witnessed
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Road Rage Witnessed
I witnessed an incident in Fort Worth.
Without going into too much detail, a guy freaked out because another driver failed to accelerate after leaving a school zone. He cut me off in order to flip the other driver out and then got in front of the poor guy. I say poor guy because his only crime was missing a sign that allowed him to speed up.
I honked my horn at the guy when he cut me off, because I usually like to inform people of their bad driving. I thought they may learn something.
The bad part is that the driver who freaked out stopped his car, blocking in the other "slow" driver. He then got out of his car and approached the car behind him, with other traffic going around them at about 40mph! Luckily, this was all in my rear view mirror. I drove away after I saw the guy yelling at the slow driver with his finger against the driver side window. It didn't look like it was going to escelate, but I don't know what happened.
Two things:
First, I think that I am not going to be honking at people anymore, no matter what the circumstances are. I think the risks are just too great after witnessing this. I think he could very well have done this to me for honking at him. I don't think honking in response to another person's bad driving is "provocation" which would negate my right to deadly force - if that is necessary.
Second, I thought about what I would have done if I was the "slow" driver and trapped. I was carrying holstered on my hip. My first thought at the scene was that I would unbuckle my belt, and unholster, but stay at low ready. I wouldn't purposely hold it up to intimidate, but I would have it pointed at the guy through the door. He might see the weapon, but that would not be my purpose. My justification is that this guy has just cut off any escape and is approaching me in a threatening manner by yelling with his arm raised. I would be afraid that it could escalate if he had a weapon or he tried to enter my vehicle with force. I would definitely call 911 with the plate number and include the fact that I was armed in case the guy calls 911 as well.
Just wanted to share this experience. I have thought about this quite a bit, and I still think staying at low ready would be the right thing to do.
Without going into too much detail, a guy freaked out because another driver failed to accelerate after leaving a school zone. He cut me off in order to flip the other driver out and then got in front of the poor guy. I say poor guy because his only crime was missing a sign that allowed him to speed up.
I honked my horn at the guy when he cut me off, because I usually like to inform people of their bad driving. I thought they may learn something.
The bad part is that the driver who freaked out stopped his car, blocking in the other "slow" driver. He then got out of his car and approached the car behind him, with other traffic going around them at about 40mph! Luckily, this was all in my rear view mirror. I drove away after I saw the guy yelling at the slow driver with his finger against the driver side window. It didn't look like it was going to escelate, but I don't know what happened.
Two things:
First, I think that I am not going to be honking at people anymore, no matter what the circumstances are. I think the risks are just too great after witnessing this. I think he could very well have done this to me for honking at him. I don't think honking in response to another person's bad driving is "provocation" which would negate my right to deadly force - if that is necessary.
Second, I thought about what I would have done if I was the "slow" driver and trapped. I was carrying holstered on my hip. My first thought at the scene was that I would unbuckle my belt, and unholster, but stay at low ready. I wouldn't purposely hold it up to intimidate, but I would have it pointed at the guy through the door. He might see the weapon, but that would not be my purpose. My justification is that this guy has just cut off any escape and is approaching me in a threatening manner by yelling with his arm raised. I would be afraid that it could escalate if he had a weapon or he tried to enter my vehicle with force. I would definitely call 911 with the plate number and include the fact that I was armed in case the guy calls 911 as well.
Just wanted to share this experience. I have thought about this quite a bit, and I still think staying at low ready would be the right thing to do.