Chas, I'm in total agreement with you.
I didn't mean to be ambiguous with what I was saying. It was really unrelated to the Miami incident; I was just trying to articulate the argument that sometimes a CHL holder would be justified in defending a third party (when the situation was clear and the third party would be justified for use of deadly force.)
I probably shouldn't post on boards at semester finals time...my brain is likely not working properly!
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- Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:21 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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- Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:03 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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Well, obviously an airport is different territory.
What I was saying was that in a situation where a person has a CHL and a weapon, the threat to someone else's life justifies using it, even when your own life is not in immediate danger. Mark Wilson comes to mind because it's so recent.
As far as Miami goes, it is a little early, but given what the people who were there are saying, as well as the spokesman for the FAM service, it certainly sounds like a good shoot.
*Edited to add* Also, I agree with the OP that a CHL holder shooting a fleeing suspect is a no-go. Never meant to imply otherwise.
What I was saying was that in a situation where a person has a CHL and a weapon, the threat to someone else's life justifies using it, even when your own life is not in immediate danger. Mark Wilson comes to mind because it's so recent.
As far as Miami goes, it is a little early, but given what the people who were there are saying, as well as the spokesman for the FAM service, it certainly sounds like a good shoot.
*Edited to add* Also, I agree with the OP that a CHL holder shooting a fleeing suspect is a no-go. Never meant to imply otherwise.
- Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:27 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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I have to respectfully disagree here.
Regardless of whether the man was running away from the FAMs or toward them, he refused to follow their orders and when he reached into the bag, signed his own death warrant. The FAMs reacted by the book. It's sad that this man was possibly mentally ill, but the real lesson to be learned involves always taking your medication (or making sure that your loved one does so) and not putting the agents in this position in the first place. Certainly do not claim to be holding a bomb and then reach into your knapsack.
Also, as a CHL holder (well, when the card gets here anyway) I'm fully within my rights to shoot someone posing a serious and immediate threat of bodily harm to a fellow citizen. Circumstances, obviously, would dictate whether to take the shot, and I don't think that we should adopt a hero mentality, but if possible I would certainly pull my weapon for another person's safety.
Not flaming, just discussing. I think you're right on the money that there are lessons to be learned from the incident.
Regardless of whether the man was running away from the FAMs or toward them, he refused to follow their orders and when he reached into the bag, signed his own death warrant. The FAMs reacted by the book. It's sad that this man was possibly mentally ill, but the real lesson to be learned involves always taking your medication (or making sure that your loved one does so) and not putting the agents in this position in the first place. Certainly do not claim to be holding a bomb and then reach into your knapsack.
Also, as a CHL holder (well, when the card gets here anyway) I'm fully within my rights to shoot someone posing a serious and immediate threat of bodily harm to a fellow citizen. Circumstances, obviously, would dictate whether to take the shot, and I don't think that we should adopt a hero mentality, but if possible I would certainly pull my weapon for another person's safety.
Not flaming, just discussing. I think you're right on the money that there are lessons to be learned from the incident.